Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-06-2012, 04:53 PM
Da Hudge
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Not so sure about that.
Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.
And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.
And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.
Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.
Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.
Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.
And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.
And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.
Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.
Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.
Contractual givebacks would have to be done in order for this 9000 pilot absurdity to happen.
12-06-2012, 05:15 PM
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Not so sure about that.
Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.
And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.
And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.
Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.
Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.
Like some have pointed out, we could potentially see a 1.7ish ratio, but our floor is only 1.56. i.e. room to shrink.
And that's just the narrowbody/domestic flying. The widebody intl isn't covered in those ratios, and that's where ER's being replaced by fewer but larger planes could make a big dent in pilot staffing numbers, even if they don't get an extra hour into the 2 man ops like they supposedly want.
And further shrinkage could still occur, even if our 1.56 levy holds back the floods because they could idle large RJ's or take it out of their utilization.
Until we see a plan, and that plan implimented, to compete and win (reference the absolutely crucial watershed standoff with Qatar in ATH this coming year) then we could be in for a heap big shrinkage. Watch that route closely. It is one of a few canaries in the coal mine and Qatar is betting ours will pass out before theirs does.
Or whatever it is that canaries in coal mines do.
12-06-2012, 05:47 PM
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I have a question about Union dues.
Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.
I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.
Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.
I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.
12-06-2012, 05:57 PM
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12-06-2012, 06:06 PM
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I have a question about Union dues.
Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.
I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.
Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.
I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.
Not sure if this is fact:
You work under the RLA not the NLRB. Because of that, you operate under federal law not local law. You will pay dues in "right to work" states if your union has agency shop.
12-06-2012, 06:09 PM
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I have a question about Union dues.
Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.
I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.
Michigan just passed "Right-to-work" resolutions that makes payment of union dues in the private sector voluntary. Now I think our dues are worth the contract negotiations (whether I liked the new contract or not), back up if ever needed while doing a carpet dance, and also all the other help that is available, but can people now opt out of paying dues? I understand if you don't pay dues you might not have access to all the benefits of being in a union, but I am worried this might allow a substantial amount of people to stop paying dues and bankrupt DALPA. Just wondering if there is anything to prevent this.
I notice that GA, VA are right to work already, MI and NY are not.
12-06-2012, 06:14 PM
Da Hudge
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You don't have to join DALPA when you're hired nor do you have to maintain membership. You still owe the money to DALPA either way, it's a service charge that equals the regular dues and assessments. So... if it costs the same, you'd be throwing money away not to be a member.
12-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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12-06-2012, 06:26 PM
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Coming in a bit late on this, but missed a few days. Normally, I agree with most of what you say Buzz, but here it comes across as, "C'mon guys, I don't like what that guy had to say, so that makes it so. So, in summary, I'm right, and let's leave it at that. Now move on." Impression: Someone's a bit full of them self with that kind of attitude.
12-06-2012, 06:34 PM
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