Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
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Inspired by Delta, Lincoln displays it's brand at the LA Auto Show:
No Car At The Lincoln Stand Is Newer Than 1961
... exciting times for Lincoln and Delta.
* Somehow we find money for new RJ's ... .
* Our motto used to be "We Love To Fly and it Shows!" Now we refer to flying as something we "have" to do ....
No Car At The Lincoln Stand Is Newer Than 1961
As a brand, the reasoning for Lincoln's continued existence is questionable. Nothing they currently produce is interesting in any measurable way. Lincoln was once the Cadillac of cars, now it's the Mitsubishi of luxury brands at best.
This wasn't always the case, as Lincoln is reminding us with this stunning auto show display. None of the cars on the show floor for Lincoln (yet) are newer than a 1961 Lincoln Continental, and the oldest goes back to the 1920s. "See," the cars scream, "we used to be great."
The implication is that they'll be yet great again, though we haven't seen the proof. Give Lincoln credit, however, in that they knew we'd be opining about how terrible their current lineup is and comparing it to the old. They knew we'd say they were once great and now are not. They knew all of it and went ahead with the display.
What are they launching here? A Tumblr account and… nothing else?
This wasn't always the case, as Lincoln is reminding us with this stunning auto show display. None of the cars on the show floor for Lincoln (yet) are newer than a 1961 Lincoln Continental, and the oldest goes back to the 1920s. "See," the cars scream, "we used to be great."
The implication is that they'll be yet great again, though we haven't seen the proof. Give Lincoln credit, however, in that they knew we'd be opining about how terrible their current lineup is and comparing it to the old. They knew we'd say they were once great and now are not. They knew all of it and went ahead with the display.
What are they launching here? A Tumblr account and… nothing else?
Besides the MD-90s, Delta is picking up the leases on 88 Boeing 717s with an average age of 11 years from Southwest Airlines Co. LUV +1.51% The discount king was so eager to shed the leases it inherited in its purchase of AirTran Airways that it took a $137 million charge to retrofit them for Delta. Yet even with the planes' higher fuel and maintenance costs, Delta figures it is saving at least $1 billion on the MD-90 purchases, compared with buying new planes, making them roughly 10% cheaper to operate per seat than new 737s. It won't say how much the 717s are saving, but its fleet strategy executive said he is "thrilled about the deal we got."
Another idea is that it is preferable to own planes rather than lease them "so when you hit softness or an economic downturn, you don't (have to) fly empty planes with high monthly payments," he said. Delta owns 75% of its fleet.*
Mr. Anderson learned this from experience. In the mid-1990s, cash-strapped Northwest decided—with input from McDonnell Douglas and aging-aircraft experts at the Federal Aviation Administration—to keep 183 DC-9s, then 25-years-old on average—flying until they turned 40. The company even went out and bought 40 more from other airlines. Around that time, Mr. Anderson was the head of technical and flight operations at Northwest.
Today, Delta's fleet is both old and complex. It has 10 different models in its 725-aircraft mainline fleet, and the fleet's average age was 16.6 years at the end of September. The last of its 19 DC-9s, which came from Northwest, clock in at more than 34 years old, and are expected to be put out to pasture in the next year or two.
This compares with an average fleet age of about 12 years for United Continental and US Airways. Southwest's fleet is 11-years-old on average while JetBlue Airways Corp.'s JBLU +0.40% planes are six years old. American Airlines has a 15-year-old fleet, but the company recently ordered 460 new aircraft.
Another idea is that it is preferable to own planes rather than lease them "so when you hit softness or an economic downturn, you don't (have to) fly empty planes with high monthly payments," he said. Delta owns 75% of its fleet.*
Mr. Anderson learned this from experience. In the mid-1990s, cash-strapped Northwest decided—with input from McDonnell Douglas and aging-aircraft experts at the Federal Aviation Administration—to keep 183 DC-9s, then 25-years-old on average—flying until they turned 40. The company even went out and bought 40 more from other airlines. Around that time, Mr. Anderson was the head of technical and flight operations at Northwest.
Today, Delta's fleet is both old and complex. It has 10 different models in its 725-aircraft mainline fleet, and the fleet's average age was 16.6 years at the end of September. The last of its 19 DC-9s, which came from Northwest, clock in at more than 34 years old, and are expected to be put out to pasture in the next year or two.
This compares with an average fleet age of about 12 years for United Continental and US Airways. Southwest's fleet is 11-years-old on average while JetBlue Airways Corp.'s JBLU +0.40% planes are six years old. American Airlines has a 15-year-old fleet, but the company recently ordered 460 new aircraft.
* Somehow we find money for new RJ's ... .
* Our motto used to be "We Love To Fly and it Shows!" Now we refer to flying as something we "have" to do ....
Last edited by Bucking Bar; 11-28-2012 at 07:43 PM.
Once that baby comes, your airlines are going to be grounded. Flights will only operate on Valentines day, your birthday's, and every other anniversary.
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Right. Maybe the PA issue isn't the issue of the week...
If I read correctly, they can increase their flying 50%, and we need to add 0. They can add seven weekly frequencies. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess there is one more city pair the JV wants to serve.
So the enhanced protection of the TA is that we get to negotiate adequate production balances, even though the company isn't prevented from entering the JV anyway, and in any case the largest airline by far is letting the smallest by far keep the lion's share of the flying, unless of course they want more, which is fine. Am I reading this right?
If I read correctly, they can increase their flying 50%, and we need to add 0. They can add seven weekly frequencies. I'm going to go out on a limb here, and guess there is one more city pair the JV wants to serve.
So the enhanced protection of the TA is that we get to negotiate adequate production balances, even though the company isn't prevented from entering the JV anyway, and in any case the largest airline by far is letting the smallest by far keep the lion's share of the flying, unless of course they want more, which is fine. Am I reading this right?
Is that seriously what we just agreed to?
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It came to me in my sleep: the reason this is good is that it's a production balance.
I had gone to sleep wondering what a production inbalance might actually look like. I finally got it, and woke up screaming. It took the kids two glasses of milk and about 45 minutes of lullabies to finally coax me back to sleep. The kept asking me what my nightmare was, but I just couldn't bear to tell them. I just softly sobbed myself to sleep to the sound of their voices.
Trust me, Gloopy, this is a great LOA.
I had gone to sleep wondering what a production inbalance might actually look like. I finally got it, and woke up screaming. It took the kids two glasses of milk and about 45 minutes of lullabies to finally coax me back to sleep. The kept asking me what my nightmare was, but I just couldn't bear to tell them. I just softly sobbed myself to sleep to the sound of their voices.
Trust me, Gloopy, this is a great LOA.
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At which point, the good Captain got on the PA, told the passengers we had a mechanical situation that required us to change airplanes, and then proceeded to tell them everything they did not EVER need to know about back up hydraulics, engine failures, gear retraction, and second segment climb requirements. I wish I could say I was making this up, but the words "flaming ball of wreckage" were actually spoken....
The original plane was full. The replacement plane was not. Good times.
The original plane was full. The replacement plane was not. Good times.
I'm an FO on the 727. Captain's leg into MIA. Anti-skid inop.
He has a very firm landing. Felt like we blew the left side main mounts.
As we are taxiing off the runway at significant list, tower contacts us and says "Delta, you may be on fire."
I suggested to the the Captain that he stick his head out the window to look, I thought we had just blown some tires.
As I was talking to tower, the Captain began to make a PA. From a distance I think I hear him say "Ladies and Gentlemen, we may be on fire."
I got off the radio and said "What did you just say?"
The SO (that's second officer or flight engineer for you youngsters) tapped me on the shoulder and asked "What are those people doing on the runway?"
We realized that the F/A's had only heard "fire" and started the evacuation. All the engines were running. I don't even think the brakes were set.
On the bright side, the slides weren't sucked into the engines. We opened the cockpit door and the airplane was empty. We shut the engines down. Maintenance came out and changed two tires.
We taxied to the gate. Empty. Turned the airplane and went back to DFW.
I got a phone call.
Moral of story. Be careful with PA's. This policy is disaster.
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I have been making this PAs for over 15 years. Most gate agents are very appreciative and passengers listen when you speak. It is a professional thing to do and makes sense during IROPs and takes less then 60 seconds. I will do one when I get the paperwork or are checking radar.
A non issue......
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