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Old 11-27-2012, 10:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

True. Look at the most recent checklist change allowing analyization of the WDR during push and aircraft movement. They realized no one was complying with it anyways and conformed the new policy to what was real world functional.
Just wait until someone bails off a taxiway at 12kts with a WDR on their yoke clip. The procedure states the WDR has to be analyzed while the Captain is NOT taxiing the airplane. The suggestion that they can't/won't make in Vol I is to let the FO taxi. While the CA is doing his super top secret WDR verification and analysis, I mean.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Just wait until someone bails off a taxiway at 12kts with a WDR on their yoke clip. The procedure states the WDR has to be analyzed while the Captain is NOT taxiing the airplane. The suggestion that they can't/won't make in Vol I is to let the FO taxi. While the CA is doing his super top secret WDR verification and analysis, I mean.
I knew right after I hit post that someone would call me out on that!

Personally, I see zero reason why, once under way, the FO shouldnt be able to do the analysis. We do it on runway change already.

The new policy works well with the Airbus since it has dual tillers... so it's got that going for it, haha.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp

I knew right after I hit post that someone would call me out on that!

Personally, I see zero reason why, once under way, the FO shouldnt be able to do the analysis. We do it on runway change already.

The new policy works well with the Airbus since it has dual tillers... so it's got that going for it, haha.
You knew it'd be me too.

I think whoever doesn't do the gate house delay announcements should have to analyze the WDR.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:23 AM
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Originally Posted by SailorJerry
Just wait until someone bails off a taxiway at 12kts with a WDR on their yoke clip. The procedure states the WDR has to be analyzed while the Captain is NOT taxiing the airplane. The suggestion that they can't/won't make in Vol I is to let the FO taxi. While the CA is doing his super top secret WDR verification and analysis, I mean.
Unless something has recently changed, the FO IS allowed to taxi the airplane. I guess I'd better do a refresher to make sure.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:29 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Unless something has recently changed, the FO IS allowed to taxi the airplane. I guess I'd better do a refresher to make sure.
Yep... its required for the FO to taxi the plane if the CA is doing the WDR on the move. All FOs are qualified to taxi on a straightaway... and all airbus pilots are universally qualified to taxi.

I didnt notice that he said not allowed to taxi. That is not correct!
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Yep... its required for the FO to taxi the plane if the CA is doing the WDR on the move. All FOs are qualified to taxi on a straightaway... and all airbus pilots are universally qualified to taxi.

I didnt notice that he said not allowed to taxi. That is not correct!
Yes, & I'm fairly certain the Vol I specifically states the CA can divide the required tasks however he see fit. For example, while I was on the A320 I'm certain the duties were divided into PF/PM. The PF duties included taxing the aircraft. It did not specify the CA, but rather the PF.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
I think this FOM change regarding PA's will be changed or deleted due to lack of interest. It just can't be enforced with the sheer number of flights we have everyday. I think the right answer is that it's a recommendation that passengers appreciate, but making it a "thou shalt...", regardless of any common sense, will not win over the pilot group.
This policy doesn't need to be enforced immediately or often to cause problems down the road. It's the precedent we need to worry about.

It's a "push to test" by the company to see how much they can sneak in before DALPA squawks.

RA won't be here forever. Sleepy Ed (or another high-functioning sociopath) is waiting in the wings. Do the math.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by FrankCobretti
Uniform inspections? Pfft. Chief Pilots don't work weekends and holidays.
Or man the office for red eye departures.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:42 AM
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Originally Posted by RepublicofTexas
Remind me again what the FOB says. Does it say, "Will" or "Should" Is this a rewash of 7.5?

"Will" would mean a change in the job description,

"Should" is a suggestion.
Wrong.

The FOM defines 'should' as follows-

"The word 'should' is used to indicate that compliance is expected. Deviations are permitted only where an operational requirement exists."

The word 'may' is used when compliance is not mandatory.
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Old 11-27-2012, 11:44 AM
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Originally Posted by flyallnite
Wrong.

The FOM defines 'should' as follows-

"The word 'should' is used to indicate that compliance is expected. Deviations are permitted only where an operational requirement exists."

The word 'may' is used when compliance is not mandatory.
Physiological needs are an operational requirement. I'll be getting coffee, using the bathroom, or getting a cat nap. All physiological needs which make deviations permissible.
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