Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-18-2012, 07:57 PM
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Wait until you see it! I won't ruin it for you. I was just looking for someone to share a "can you believe that!?!" with. As you know the series is full of them with 3-4 per episode.
Tonight there were 5 or 6.
11-18-2012, 07:58 PM
Da Hudge
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Redbook = Former, former Northwest
Greenbook = Former Republic, which, of course, was also former North Central, Southern, Air West (which was also made up of..ah, you get the idea)
Bluebook = Post NWA/REP merger pilots (and apparent source of BBD's angst).
NOT to be confused with
Redtail = Former NWA (see above)
Bluetail = Former DAL (made up of DAL, WAE, PAA, NE, C&S, etc etc)
Purple = Post merger guys
Some guys are crabby that the world no longer rises and sets in the Central Time Zone. Some other guys are crabby that their Thunderdome experience was rudely interrupted by other events. Some Blue Tail guys are being real grumpuses because "us" actually means "you and me" and not "you just listening to me".
Nu
Greenbook = Former Republic, which, of course, was also former North Central, Southern, Air West (which was also made up of..ah, you get the idea)
Bluebook = Post NWA/REP merger pilots (and apparent source of BBD's angst).
NOT to be confused with
Redtail = Former NWA (see above)
Bluetail = Former DAL (made up of DAL, WAE, PAA, NE, C&S, etc etc)
Purple = Post merger guys
Some guys are crabby that the world no longer rises and sets in the Central Time Zone. Some other guys are crabby that their Thunderdome experience was rudely interrupted by other events. Some Blue Tail guys are being real grumpuses because "us" actually means "you and me" and not "you just listening to me".
Nu
11-18-2012, 08:07 PM
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I definitely get tired of the pre-merger color coding. Then again, politics annoy me to no end as it is. It appears to be 90% of what bigbusdriver knows what to talk about as it is.
I believe in this case, FDAL is "blue" and FNWA is "red," thus the "purple" references.
Blah blah blah, constructive engagement. We'll see how kingsley does. I'm just glad I got to cast my vote and he was elected by the majority!
I believe in this case, FDAL is "blue" and FNWA is "red," thus the "purple" references.
Blah blah blah, constructive engagement. We'll see how kingsley does. I'm just glad I got to cast my vote and he was elected by the majority!
11-18-2012, 08:08 PM
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Red - Pre-1986 merger original NWA
Green - Republic pilots at time of 1986 merger
Blue - NWA hires after 1986 merger
Roberts Rule - 20 year fence separating "Red" and "Green" positions brought into the merger; expired in 2006
Ninjas - Red pilot faction fighting to insure separation of those positions
True story: Me, 2007 (post Roberts), eating at the Subway in MSP. Across the way, an NWA captain talking loudly on his phone, exclaiming he would never "let those Green guys screw me." There are those who will never move past this, 26 years after it all started, and 6 years after it ended. Too bad. Don't feed the trolls.
Green - Republic pilots at time of 1986 merger
Blue - NWA hires after 1986 merger
Roberts Rule - 20 year fence separating "Red" and "Green" positions brought into the merger; expired in 2006
Ninjas - Red pilot faction fighting to insure separation of those positions
True story: Me, 2007 (post Roberts), eating at the Subway in MSP. Across the way, an NWA captain talking loudly on his phone, exclaiming he would never "let those Green guys screw me." There are those who will never move past this, 26 years after it all started, and 6 years after it ended. Too bad. Don't feed the trolls.
11-18-2012, 08:21 PM
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Red - Pre-1986 merger original NWA
Green - Republic pilots at time of 1986 merger
Blue - NWA hires after 1986 merger
Roberts Rule - 20 year fence separating "Red" and "Green" positions brought into the merger; expired in 2006
Ninjas - Red pilot faction fighting to insure separation of those positions
True story: Me, 2007 (post Roberts), eating at the Subway in MSP. Across the way, an NWA captain talking loudly on his phone, exclaiming he would never "let those Green guys screw me." There are those who will never move past this, 26 years after it all started, and 6 years after it ended. Too bad. Don't feed the trolls.
Green - Republic pilots at time of 1986 merger
Blue - NWA hires after 1986 merger
Roberts Rule - 20 year fence separating "Red" and "Green" positions brought into the merger; expired in 2006
Ninjas - Red pilot faction fighting to insure separation of those positions
True story: Me, 2007 (post Roberts), eating at the Subway in MSP. Across the way, an NWA captain talking loudly on his phone, exclaiming he would never "let those Green guys screw me." There are those who will never move past this, 26 years after it all started, and 6 years after it ended. Too bad. Don't feed the trolls.
I think the lesson to be learned for everyone is the sooner merged pilots get over the merger, the better.
11-18-2012, 08:37 PM
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11-18-2012, 08:43 PM
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11-18-2012, 09:08 PM
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Do we have any non rev privileges besides normal ZED / ID90 on AS (for pass riders, not jumpseat)?
I was looking at the routemap and wondering if we should build something into the next contract. When they finish taking over the rest of our flights that go to, from, and along the west coast, it's going to be tough to get the family out that direction. SEA, LA, PDX, HI, AK - all places I'd like to be able to get to.
The latest trend appears to be them flying trans-cons for us. The number of those appears to have tripled or so in the past year. As they pick up more of the flying between our hubs and theirs, it will be tough to put the family on DL metal between the west coast and anywhere else. Might be a low-cost contract item to think about...
You know the old saying, "If you don't think you can beat em, or don't want to try, and you can profit by letting them have your customers, might as well join em."
I was looking at the routemap and wondering if we should build something into the next contract. When they finish taking over the rest of our flights that go to, from, and along the west coast, it's going to be tough to get the family out that direction. SEA, LA, PDX, HI, AK - all places I'd like to be able to get to.
The latest trend appears to be them flying trans-cons for us. The number of those appears to have tripled or so in the past year. As they pick up more of the flying between our hubs and theirs, it will be tough to put the family on DL metal between the west coast and anywhere else. Might be a low-cost contract item to think about...
You know the old saying, "If you don't think you can beat em, or don't want to try, and you can profit by letting them have your customers, might as well join em."
FlyZ,
No. If you want to get your family around efficiently on the west coast get familiar with ZED purchases on SWA and ALK. Both have been very good for my family. My wife uses them more often than non-reving on DAL out of SAN and LAX. You can also make it to a lot more places on DAL if you want to fly through SLC and risk an RJ. Not too reliable with weight issues and heavy loads.
Maybe some day DAL will expand its west coast routes with DAL metal but don't hold your breath.
Scoop
11-18-2012, 09:43 PM
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YES! It's my second favorite show after "Breaking Bad." I think it took me about a day to watch Season 1! Couldn't stop. One of my high school friends is an editor for the show and won an Emmy which is why I started watching it.
11-19-2012, 03:03 AM
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Sounds like the reality of being stuck on a plane for 7 days is starting to set in.
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