Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-13-2012, 12:39 PM
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Actually, that's how people came to view it, but it's a completely inaccurate view of the actual sequence of events. That Note money could not possibly be a retirement offset, otherwise it would have belonged to the PBGC. As a lone line pilot at the one MEC post-meeting social thing I attended, I very specifically asked an MEC member (and my own reps) whether the Claim and Note would be general concession offsets (before voting for LOA 51), or a retirement offset. I was told that it could not, and would not be a retirement offset. Only after the claim turned out to pay better than expected ("thank you", Doug Parker), and settlement with the PBGC was reached, did the MEC start to describe the upcoming Note as a response to "Retirement-Related Concessions".
You're absolutely correct about the product that was delivered, but completely incorrect about the product that was originally sold. Maybe you always expected a retirement offset, and so this fit your expectations, but I am 100% certain I was sold something else. Let me wrap this up by saying that, at the end, the distribution of the sum of the Claim and Note was acceptable to me, so it's water under the bridge.
You're absolutely correct about the product that was delivered, but completely incorrect about the product that was originally sold. Maybe you always expected a retirement offset, and so this fit your expectations, but I am 100% certain I was sold something else. Let me wrap this up by saying that, at the end, the distribution of the sum of the Claim and Note was acceptable to me, so it's water under the bridge.
11-13-2012, 12:40 PM
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LAX 73A for Dec 2012 are out backdoor... Not sure about any others!
11-13-2012, 12:43 PM
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11-13-2012, 12:50 PM
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I'm not sure you quite know what you're talking about.... I've flown the 88, 75/76, 737, and A320 at DL, and the A320 is the first fleet I've flown here that has a hot mic.
Some of the guys on the 737 would wrap a rubber band around the squishy thing at the base of the selector panel and use it to pull the I/C switch back, thus jerry rigging a hot mic. Other than that, it's not a hot mic aircraft like all the others.
I can't speak for the 765 or the 777, but I know the 744 also doesn't have a hot mic.
Some of the guys on the 737 would wrap a rubber band around the squishy thing at the base of the selector panel and use it to pull the I/C switch back, thus jerry rigging a hot mic. Other than that, it's not a hot mic aircraft like all the others.
I can't speak for the 765 or the 777, but I know the 744 also doesn't have a hot mic.
11-13-2012, 12:55 PM
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Yup, and I missbid. Award trips if departing on Dec 25 if trip checkin after 2000. Guess what? GEO checks in next month at 23 and change and departs the next day. Ugh. Just ruined my day. Sure hope I can burn the APD. Maybe I can have my small toe amputated the day after Xmas.
11-13-2012, 12:56 PM
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Same thing here. I have worked 9 out of 9 reserve days so far this month. 3 short calls and almost to bucket three while some have barely flown. Have been called out on all three short calls which makes the raw bucket not much help. I'm ok with the bucket system, but short call could use a few tweaks to spread it out more.
Also, deadheaded yesterday and the "Fly Button" is still a part of the safety video...
Also, deadheaded yesterday and the "Fly Button" is still a part of the safety video...
11-13-2012, 01:04 PM
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Yup, and I missbid. Award trips if departing on Dec 25 if trip checkin after 2000. Guess what? GEO checks in next month at 23 and change and departs the next day. Ugh. Just ruined my day. Sure hope I can burn the APD. Maybe I can have my small toe amputated the day after Xmas.
At least you didn't get a GEO that checks in on the 23rd and leaves on the 24th.
Of course I could end up as your FO!
11-13-2012, 01:06 PM
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Yup, and I missbid. Award trips if departing on Dec 25 if trip checkin after 2000. Guess what? GEO checks in next month at 23 and change and departs the next day. Ugh. Just ruined my day. Sure hope I can burn the APD. Maybe I can have my small toe amputated the day after Xmas.
PREFER OFF 25 0000-2000
PREFER OFF 25
With trips like that being tricky, this is a better bet against that kind of stuff.
11-13-2012, 01:10 PM
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Well I can always hope or a Noreaster hitting NYC on the 24th. My wife likes the amputation idea, just not the small toe, after I told her what I did.
11-13-2012, 01:14 PM
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I think in a way you are both right and wrong about this...I seem to recall that it was for all intents and purposes a retirement offset, but that ALPA had to vehemently deny it as such or the PBGC would in fact have a solid claim to it. I think they attempted to claim it as such anyway.
If you think about it, had the Claim not been pumped up by Parker, distributing the Note as retirement-related would have resulted in a revolt. It's only the settlement with the PBGC, the unexpected benefit of the claim, the guys threatening to sue, that conspired to open the door for a "retirement-related" approach to the note. Some senior guys on the MEC always wanted it that way (I had an argument with one while the Claim was still not sold), but they would not have prevailed absent the Claim. IOW, I suspect it was an unsettled power struggle until the Claim and PBGC agreement settled it.
I guess it comes down to this: it wasn't retirement-related... until it was. It's not that important to know exactly how it "blossomed" that way, except maybe because this serves as a reminder to be weary of a single TA product being sold to different pilots in different ways. Someone is going to be sure they were lied to.
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