Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-06-2012, 09:33 AM
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11-06-2012, 09:35 AM
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Many pilots will recall the often repeated story that mainline can not perform our own feed flying because of all of the other costs other than pilots, which are presumed cheaper if handled by the regional carriers. This post lays out some of the details of the transition to Delta Global Services as Regional Elite employees learn that they no longer have a job.
By comparison, the pay rates appear "competitive" with what some Companies renown for customer service pay (like Disney).
Just heard from some folks at REAS being transitioned to DGS. Here's the details for their city:
- New ramp employees start at $8.25, above wing start at $9.25.
- Top out is after three years at $0.85 above starting wage.
- All existing employees will be started at DGS at their respective level on the payscale at DGS. So a 3+ year "above wing" employee will be brought down to $10.10. A brand new above wing employee will get a raise from $8.75 (REAS starting wage) to $9.25.
- No vacation or sick time.
- No buddy passes or ZED fares.
- Health insurance to cost about three times as much as Regional's did.
And I'm sure there's more but these are the bullet points that stuck out to me. Everyone thought Regional Elite was pretty bad in employee satisfaction and compensation, but I think DGS takes the cake! Any shred of career employees Regional Elite had left from the days of Comair and Mesaba will hopefully turn down this DGS insult and find new jobs that actually pay liveable wages.
- New ramp employees start at $8.25, above wing start at $9.25.
- Top out is after three years at $0.85 above starting wage.
- All existing employees will be started at DGS at their respective level on the payscale at DGS. So a 3+ year "above wing" employee will be brought down to $10.10. A brand new above wing employee will get a raise from $8.75 (REAS starting wage) to $9.25.
- No vacation or sick time.
- No buddy passes or ZED fares.
- Health insurance to cost about three times as much as Regional's did.
And I'm sure there's more but these are the bullet points that stuck out to me. Everyone thought Regional Elite was pretty bad in employee satisfaction and compensation, but I think DGS takes the cake! Any shred of career employees Regional Elite had left from the days of Comair and Mesaba will hopefully turn down this DGS insult and find new jobs that actually pay liveable wages.
11-06-2012, 09:42 AM
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I love it when scheduling puts 8 on short call when the target is 4, seem like they are now determined to max every reserve pilots SC for the month.
11-06-2012, 09:42 AM
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And the relevance of this is? We are getting 88 717s for a song... SWA is paying a ton of money to get rid of them.. to bring them up to our standards. Let's say that those 88 717s are costing us... oh.. and I am making this up... 200K/month to lease. How many new 319s do you think we can get for that amount of money? How many jobs will THAT translate into? If/when this group will ever get it's heads out of the sand and realize that management is gonna buy whatever size airplanes THEY see fit to buy, maybe our payscales will be rationalized to fit that a little better.... but I am not holding my breath.
11-06-2012, 09:52 AM
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Tried to convince a scheduler that excessive short calls are inefficient ...
11-06-2012, 10:13 AM
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11-06-2012, 10:31 AM
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What category are you speaking about. There are expected to be major weather issues tomorrow with the possible closure of LGA and JFK due to high winds. It would be smart to insure you have a lot of reserves at least in ATL and DTW.
11-06-2012, 10:45 AM
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- Brand-new 76-seat jets - Yes
- Mainline Comfort - Yes, 3 class including economy comfort, with very comfortable seats, pitch equaling the best mainline domestic, and wifi installed fleet-wide.
- Mainline Performance - Yes, similar speed, range, and seat-adjusted fuel burn.
- Mainline Capabilities - Full fuel, pax, and bags on most routes, including such "regional" staples as MSP-YVR and JFK-DFW.
- Flown on a coast-to-coast network - Yes, including the US & Canada's largest cities in all four corners, I often fly coast-to-coast in a single day. It's a "regional" airplane only if North America is a "region."
- Will they stick around for 20-25 years? Well, that obviously remains to be seen as was pointed out, but 5 years in they're still quite reliable, far more than when we got them, and DAL obviously likes them enough to give you guys an early contract for 70 more. I'd think they stay around a long time unless you guys outsource 100-120-seaters, you might be able to get them retired early in that case!
Why don't you go negotiate a solidly improved contract for your own airline before being critical of someone else's collective bargaining agreement...
We'll give it the ole college try regardless!
Just in case you forgot: Go back to your own forum and leave Delta pilots to be concerned with Delta Pilot issues.
11-06-2012, 10:56 AM
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No, I didn't forget that my presence here drives you (shiznit) crazy, it's just about the only thing keeping me around what with the absence of underboob and all the rumors being depressing ones. But hey, I'll actually agree to leave you to your own forum the minute I stop seeing DAL pilots posting in the CAL/UAL and AA and various regional forums.
Don't worry about $h!tniz's behavior towards poster's he doesn't agree with. He's a company puppet, and chooses to fling insults instead of constructively engaging in the conversation.
Take for example, Purple Drank's posts on the forum, and how everyone attacks him when he posts desire for additional improvements. The L & G about Delta has turned into a swamp of depressing "group think" mentalities, and if you don't agree with the "club", you're obviously either incapable of posting on a "mainline" forum, or "too junior" to realize how difficult all those previously employed by Delta truly had it.
Keep offering the "other side of the fence" Jungle, and hopefully Shiz will go away.
Fly safe,
GJ
11-06-2012, 11:06 AM
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What precisely was uniformed, inaccurate, or foolish about what I typed? Point by point, are the CR9/E175 aircraft:
Actually, our very first contract becomes amendable later this month, so we're in the process of doing just that. Unfortunately it seems that somebody saddled us with mandatory baseball-style arbitration clause...I forget who at the moment...but it almost seems like they didn't want us to negotiate a solidly improved contract. We'll give it the ole college try regardless!
No, I didn't forget that my presence here drives you (shiznit) crazy, it's just about the only thing keeping me around what with the absence of underboob and all the rumors being depressing ones. But hey, I'll actually agree to leave you to your own forum the minute I stop seeing DAL pilots posting in the CAL/UAL and AA and various regional forums.
- Brand-new 76-seat jets - Yes
- Mainline Comfort - Yes, 3 class including economy comfort, with very comfortable seats, pitch equaling the best mainline domestic, and wifi installed fleet-wide.
- Mainline Performance - Yes, similar speed, range, and seat-adjusted fuel burn.
- Mainline Capabilities - Full fuel, pax, and bags on most routes, including such "regional" staples as MSP-YVR and JFK-DFW.
- Flown on a coast-to-coast network - Yes, including the US & Canada's largest cities in all four corners, I often fly coast-to-coast in a single day. It's a "regional" airplane only if North America is a "region."
- Will they stick around for 20-25 years? Well, that obviously remains to be seen as was pointed out, but 5 years in they're still quite reliable, far more than when we got them, and DAL obviously likes them enough to give you guys an early contract for 70 more. I'd think they stay around a long time unless you guys outsource 100-120-seaters, you might be able to get them retired early in that case!
Actually, our very first contract becomes amendable later this month, so we're in the process of doing just that. Unfortunately it seems that somebody saddled us with mandatory baseball-style arbitration clause...I forget who at the moment...but it almost seems like they didn't want us to negotiate a solidly improved contract.
We'll give it the ole college try regardless! No, I didn't forget that my presence here drives you (shiznit) crazy, it's just about the only thing keeping me around what with the absence of underboob and all the rumors being depressing ones. But hey, I'll actually agree to leave you to your own forum the minute I stop seeing DAL pilots posting in the CAL/UAL and AA and various regional forums.
The total number of 76 seats jets in the category you mentioned was reduced in the new contract not increased as you claim. The company can have more total 70 and 76 seat jets combined but few 76 seat large RJ's then the old contract potentially allowed. The number of allowed 76 seaters did not increase by 70 airframes as you post.
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