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11-06-2012, 06:39 AM
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I have not done it, but a quick search on DeltaNet (in the search bar on the top right) showed some promise. I searched for "exchange email" showed some promising results. The first couple of documents will give you some direction on how to proceed. I won't go into more details for security reasons, but it appears that some employees can do just what you're asking about.
11-06-2012, 06:42 AM
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I would recommend putting a reserve bid group in first with the days that you want off. I'm assuming the 24th and 25th. Put a prefer off request 24, 25, then put else start next. If you get those days unstacked on you, it will go to your next bid group. Call the PBS guys. They are there to help. They will check your bid and make sure you did everything right. It's a great resource that is really underutilized by our group.
11-06-2012, 06:48 AM
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Short calls would be based on 23.S.2.c.2.a
31 - 7 vac - 2 CQ = 22 . . . 19-23 is 4 short calls
X Days based on 12.N.2.a
31 day month ALV less than 74:59
31 - 7 vacation days = 24
31 day month chart with 24-25 days = 11 X Days
24 days to bid - 11 X-Days = 13 days of reserve
13 Days of Reserve, 2 Days "on-call" removed for CQ
11 Days On Call for December
(CVG/MSP/NYC all get the 20% "extra X Day", so 10 Days on call for them)
Old PWA, the CQ days were prorated for the month before determining your place on the X-Day chart, so you stayed higher on the tables for days of work and short calls.
New PWA, CQ days are removed from your scheduled on-call days AFTER any pro-ration, and then once your month is done and CQ removed, THEN you count the days to determine Short Call max.
31 - 7 vac - 2 CQ = 22 . . . 19-23 is 4 short calls
X Days based on 12.N.2.a
31 day month ALV less than 74:59
31 - 7 vacation days = 24
31 day month chart with 24-25 days = 11 X Days
24 days to bid - 11 X-Days = 13 days of reserve
13 Days of Reserve, 2 Days "on-call" removed for CQ
11 Days On Call for December
(CVG/MSP/NYC all get the 20% "extra X Day", so 10 Days on call for them)
Old PWA, the CQ days were prorated for the month before determining your place on the X-Day chart, so you stayed higher on the tables for days of work and short calls.
New PWA, CQ days are removed from your scheduled on-call days AFTER any pro-ration, and then once your month is done and CQ removed, THEN you count the days to determine Short Call max.
11-06-2012, 06:52 AM
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I would recommend putting a reserve bid group in first with the days that you want off. I'm assuming the 24th and 25th. Put a prefer off request 24, 25, then put else start next. If you get those days unstacked on you, it will go to your next bid group. Call the PBS guys. They are there to help. They will check your bid and make sure you did everything right. It's a great resource that is really underutilized by our group.
11-06-2012, 07:00 AM
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Johnso, Hockey, and IA,.... Thanks!
11-06-2012, 07:01 AM
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Not much time wasted caring about "what the membership wants." Granted, DALPA has never released the survey results but I don't know too many DAL guys whose wish list included "outsourcing 70 brand-new 76-seat jets with mainline comfort, performance, and capabilities to be flown on a coast-to-coast network and will that will stick around for another 20-25 years."
Why don't you go negotiate a solidly improved contract for your own airline before being critical of someone else's collective bargaining agreement...
If the membership was so dissatisfied with the work of THEIR own elected representatives, why hasn't even a single LEC had a recall petition submitted?
Must be a whole lot of unhappy pilots put there who feel like they weren't represented well.....
Just in case you forgot: Go back to your own forum and leave Delta pilots to be concerned with Delta Pilot issues.
11-06-2012, 07:06 AM
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I actually agree with 90% of your post. The cynicism is actually stemming from the sales job of the rush to pass the TA to get a good deal quick. Most people I spoke with both in ALPA and on the line that were pushing the TA stated that the company wanted to make moves and we would see further improvements in short order. That was the justification for the far below expectation payrates and other poor improvements.
By far the most zealot line pilots for the TA I flew with were for more money now, and DL is going to make moves and make them quick after this TA, freeing us up to quick improvements.
Well, here we are.... there is nothing close to triggering further improvements happening now. We are not pursuing parts of AA- in fact we are much farther from doing so than when the TA was in discussion. Hiring is as far away or even farther away.
Don't get me wrong, I do appreciate the improvements in the contract- as a reserve I'm reaping many of the small rewards. The issue that I brought up during the TA discussion-and that which has proven to be true- what's the rush for such a mediocre gain after so many gives?
They don't realize exciting things on their planning scale are 6-9 months out. Our exciting-o-meter has a maximum range of 365 days once a year, and 210 days a couple times a year (but mostly that's been depressing) but 9 times out of 10 we get excited to see the monthly category lists come out just to say "did they even update this?"
11-06-2012, 07:10 AM
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R1, I had this exact scenario in Oct. Count your CQ days as Reserve days of availability. In a 31 day bid period you will use the 24 days of availability column. So since the M88 ALV for Dec is 74 hours it looks like at minimum you will get 11 X days. If you're category is projecting at least 20% reserves, then you'll receive 12 X days.
One last question. Do the 2 days of CQ count as work days in regard to the minimum of 3 days on.
Or, asked another way, if I place 1 work day next to 2 days of CQ, are the PBS gods satisfied?
By the way, you guys guessed right. I am an ATL 88B!
Thanks in advance, again!
R1
11-06-2012, 07:12 AM
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I have not done it, but a quick search on DeltaNet (in the search bar on the top right) showed some promise. I searched for "exchange email" showed some promising results. The first couple of documents will give you some direction on how to proceed. I won't go into more details for security reasons, but it appears that some employees can do just what you're asking about.
Search function on delta net has come a long way.
11-06-2012, 07:18 AM
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johnso (or anyone else):
One last question. Do the 2 days of CQ count as work days in regard to the minimum of 3 days on.
Or, asked another way, if I place 1 work day next to 2 days of CQ, are the PBS gods satisfied?
By the way, you guys guessed right. I am an ATL 88B!
Thanks in advance, again!
R1
One last question. Do the 2 days of CQ count as work days in regard to the minimum of 3 days on.
Or, asked another way, if I place 1 work day next to 2 days of CQ, are the PBS gods satisfied?
By the way, you guys guessed right. I am an ATL 88B!
Thanks in advance, again!
R1
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