Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
11-06-2012, 03:42 AM
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99 open seats on the LGA-ATL this morning. Cause for concern or just aftermath of Sandy still?
11-06-2012, 03:58 AM
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11-06-2012, 04:01 AM
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I think all the NY based airlines (UAL, BLU, us ...etc.) have said that they are expecting pretty poor Novembers as folks bail on travel plans and concentrate on clean-up and such.
11-06-2012, 04:06 AM
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The rush had something to do with the fact mgt. saw earnings were going to take an upswing and wanted to nail down the contract before they were made public. If we had this type of earnings environment during negotiations we would have had more leverage, maybe ALPA could not have seen it but the masses surely would have.
11-06-2012, 04:24 AM
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No I do not, why then for the rush?
11-06-2012, 04:38 AM
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11-06-2012, 04:50 AM
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11 days of reserve? Do you mean X-days? And why just 4 for Max short calls--does his month have 16-20 (or less) reserve days in the bid period out of the 31? Confused....
Went to look it up to show you why I'm confused with your numbers:
Dec is a 31 day bid period. So from the way I read the table under 12.N.7.a. there are 24 reserve days, and for 23-25 reserve days you get 10 X days. Or just go to the bid package and you see 11 X-days for the 24 days of reserve and the ALV of 74. That would mean 13 days on reserve, right? And from the table in 23.S.2.c. it looks like the max SCs are 5.
Went to look it up to show you why I'm confused with your numbers:
Dec is a 31 day bid period. So from the way I read the table under 12.N.7.a. there are 24 reserve days, and for 23-25 reserve days you get 10 X days. Or just go to the bid package and you see 11 X-days for the 24 days of reserve and the ALV of 74. That would mean 13 days on reserve, right? And from the table in 23.S.2.c. it looks like the max SCs are 5.
31 - 7 vac - 2 CQ = 22 . . . 19-23 is 4 short calls
X Days based on 12.N.2.a
31 day month ALV less than 74:59
31 - 7 vacation days = 24
31 day month chart with 24-25 days = 11 X Days
24 days to bid - 11 X-Days = 13 days of reserve
13 Days of Reserve, 2 Days "on-call" removed for CQ
11 Days On Call for December
(CVG/MSP/NYC all get the 20% "extra X Day", so 10 Days on call for them)
Old PWA, the CQ days were prorated for the month before determining your place on the X-Day chart, so you stayed higher on the tables for days of work and short calls.
New PWA, CQ days are removed from your scheduled on-call days AFTER any pro-ration, and then once your month is done and CQ removed, THEN you count the days to determine Short Call max.
11-06-2012, 05:16 AM
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Random technical question of the day.....Anyone iphone users out there know if its possible to integrate your delta email account with the iPhone email app?
11-06-2012, 05:28 AM
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Yeah, if you thought the B717's were coming anyway, you got hoodwinked. Even though management told you that they were contingent on a deal, and that they had a plan B. Even though Allegiant signed a contract for about 1/3 the number of small narrowbody aircraft just weeks after ours passed. Hoodwinked! Management had a real world deadline to get started.
If you thought RJ50's were just going away on their own and DCI would get way smaller, even though ownership costs and lease obligations stretched into next decade, then you were hoodwinked. You were told that management had a plan B, and that they'd make the smartest financial decisions for the company, not for Delta pilots. And they had a real world deadline to get started.
But here in the real world, getting B717's, ensuring more Delta pax are flown by Delta pilots, and increasing pilot pay 12.84% on the amendable date and a bunch of other improvements were the reason that this was the right deal at the right time.
Of course if some of the keyboard commandos were in charge we could use all those other successful methodologies from the other airlines. I mean SWA...they got 0% this year and are still $40 per hour less than our C2K rate and have never beeen through bankruptcy. UPS and FDX are beneath those rates too. It's soooo simple that UAL/CAL have a deal that just smokes ours... Of course we could use the examples of where some of our favorite DL warriors come from...PCL? XJet?
So thanks for bringing up the reality, Sinca. Hoodwinked!
11-06-2012, 05:41 AM
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Great point.
Yeah, if you thought the B717's were coming anyway, you got hoodwinked. Even though management told you that they were contingent on a deal, and that they had a plan B. Even though Allegiant signed a contract for about 1/3 the number of small narrowbody aircraft just weeks after ours passed. Hoodwinked! Management had a real world deadline to get started.
If you thought RJ50's were just going away on their own and DCI would get way smaller, even though ownership costs and lease obligations stretched into next decade, then you were hoodwinked. You were told that management had a plan B, and that they'd make the smartest financial decisions for the company, not for Delta pilots. And they had a real world deadline to get started.
But here in the real world, getting B717's, ensuring more Delta pax are flown by Delta pilots, and increasing pilot pay 12.84% on the amendable date and a bunch of other improvements were the reason that this was the right deal at the right time.
Of course if some of the keyboard commandos were in charge we could use all those other successful methodologies from the other airlines. I mean SWA...they got 0% this year and are still $40 per hour less than our C2K rate and have never beeen through bankruptcy. UPS and FDX are beneath those rates too. It's soooo simple that UAL/CAL have a deal that just smokes ours... Of course we could use the examples of where some of our favorite DL warriors come from...PCL? XJet?
So thanks for bringing up the reality, Sinca. Hoodwinked!
Yeah, if you thought the B717's were coming anyway, you got hoodwinked. Even though management told you that they were contingent on a deal, and that they had a plan B. Even though Allegiant signed a contract for about 1/3 the number of small narrowbody aircraft just weeks after ours passed. Hoodwinked! Management had a real world deadline to get started.
If you thought RJ50's were just going away on their own and DCI would get way smaller, even though ownership costs and lease obligations stretched into next decade, then you were hoodwinked. You were told that management had a plan B, and that they'd make the smartest financial decisions for the company, not for Delta pilots. And they had a real world deadline to get started.
But here in the real world, getting B717's, ensuring more Delta pax are flown by Delta pilots, and increasing pilot pay 12.84% on the amendable date and a bunch of other improvements were the reason that this was the right deal at the right time.
Of course if some of the keyboard commandos were in charge we could use all those other successful methodologies from the other airlines. I mean SWA...they got 0% this year and are still $40 per hour less than our C2K rate and have never beeen through bankruptcy. UPS and FDX are beneath those rates too. It's soooo simple that UAL/CAL have a deal that just smokes ours... Of course we could use the examples of where some of our favorite DL warriors come from...PCL? XJet?
So thanks for bringing up the reality, Sinca. Hoodwinked!
1. We would not get 717s.
2. 50 seaters would stick around forever.
please answer yes/or no.
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