Timbo

Well, given that 99.99% of the population is CLUELESS about the true nature of our jobs, and that Hollywood has always made money going wayyy over the top, oh, and it's an Entertainment movie, not a Documentary, what did you expect?

When you are asked quetions re. this movie, by your non-flying friends, just say, "Oh Yeah, that was completly true! It happens all the time, you just never hear about it because most of us are not flying wasted! I had to do that just last week (roll inverted, dump fuel, etc.). It didn't make CNN because we rolled it right side up just before we landed, and taxied to the gate, no biggie."

shiznit

delta-seeks-to-add-detroit-beijing

It is a current route frequency increase.

Purple Drank

Thanks for lowering expectations.... again.

Merely not dropping frequency is a loss for us when demand clearly supports more frequency. If your primary concern is to look out for Delta pilots...then how can you be OK with DAL giving it away?

The goal--"our" union's goal--should be ADDING frequency and GROWING, not ceding ground to a competitor and trying to convince us it's no big deal when we permit hub raiding from a partner. No wonder we continue to shrink and they continue massive growth. WHY IS DALPA OK WITH THIS?

Can DALPA do anything about this development? Perhaps not. But they sure shouldn't be convincing to bend over and take it.

DALPA's stance on this matter is another in a long line of utter ineptitude.

scambo1

Pretty sure it was denied. I couldn't read the article, but I think the daily PEK was supposed to kick in in october. I certainly could be wrong. My understanding wrt to DTW is that they are going to start seasonal AMS in december.

Roadkill

Deadheaded today... the new safety video played. It still has the "FLY" button at the end.

I've changed my opinion on this and am now absolutely against it... I was in civvies, and after the video ended I overheard two different pax, beside and behind me, say something to the effect that "Pilots are just bus drivers now, they pretty much only have to push a fly button and the autopilot does it all," which their companions agreed with. Then another person opined that with how automated planes were now, pilots were paid too much, and there were no disagreements.

After thinking about it, I've decided that in fact the fly button IS a demeaning joke at the expense of pilots; and there are NO OTHER jokes in the videos at the expense of any group of workers. The videos start off saying several times how hard working and professional the Delta workers are... Flight Attendants are shown maybe 30 times, always professionally and in a good light. Yet the ONLY time a pilot is shown in the videos, it's some mustachioed putz-looking guy who then turns and presses a "FLY" button. We're showing that video to EVERY passenger, every person who likely owns stock in the company and thus indirectly owns/controls our salaries via the board.

So, I've changed my mind on this--it's NOT harmless, it's a gradual and insidious degradation of respect for the profession. It's like telling rascist jokes then turning to those of the targeted race you just demeaned and saying, "Hey, lighten up man it's just a joke!", or patting a female pilot on the head and saying "How's my little lady-pilot doing today? Feeling up to hand flying the big stick with the boys?" or some such crap, and then claiming it was just light-hearted humor. It creates a culture of acceptance of demeaning behaviour, and sets an expectation in the minds of the listener that it's ok.

When our safety video shows rampers too lazy to jog over for a late inbound; flight attendants too fat to fit down the aisle without bumping all the pax; flight attendants hitting on the rich first class pax; managers working for 3 years at the company and talking on their cell phones about how they're taking us to bankruptcy and bailing with millions; and maintainers pencil whipping repairs and guessing about them instead of referencing TO data....
... when we make all THOSE jokes too, THEN it will be OK to make a light-hearted "just a little humor man, lighten up francis!" joke that pilots press a "FLY" button as part of our job.

They need to get those original videos off the planes and get the updated ones on ASAP. Other than that, the videos seemed to be received well, and I heard no other negative comments towards any Delta group.

johnso29

If DALPA can't do anything about AS adding routes(which they absolutely CAN'T just like DL management) then just exactly HOW are they ceding ground to a competitor? What do you expect them to do? Formally protest? And what do they protest? The marketing actions of a completely different airline? And how do we know that there is demand for more flights, simply because AS added routes? I really don't know what you expect DALPA to do. They successfully tightened the restrictions in the Alaska marketing agreement.

scambo1

Well said.

But seriously, at least tell me they had solved the extra breadsticks and cognac issue on that flight.

+717

johnso29

December Bid package does indicate the 777 will operate DTW-AMS.

lolwut

haahahahha

scambo1

I think the real question is why is AK is growing? Is it because of receiving codeshare or is it because they are competing against us or both?

In either situation, it is not in the best interests of the DAL pilots.