johnso29

I believe if you go to the v files of your respective fleet they are typically stored of the very end.

Timbo

The logic behind that is, it protects the guys in the 'new' category from being displaced by a senior guy taking a VD, because he can only go where that junior guy could have gone.

BUT...once he gets there, he's using his seniority number to bid, so the junior guys in category could still find guys senior to them coming in above them, even if there were zero openings posted, if one junior guy in a cut category could have have held it....

So, in the end, nobody know's where they will end up, and nobody knows who might come in, or if they'll be above or below them! Thought you were a line holder?? Not any more!

See? It's Perfect!

It's supposed to keep the pinball effect to a minimum during times of displacement, by only allowing a VD to go to where the most junior MD guy could have gone, but I've seen some reallly strange results. They do list the reasons for the moves next to the awards, so you should be able to see how anyone was awarded his new possition, be it MD, VD or AE.

Here's one more thing to be aware of when bidding anything "NEW" ie. when the 717 bids start coming. If you want to be a line holder, and you bid it "Regular Line Only" or as say, 60%, when the computer runs the bids, it looks at the TOTAL number of pilots in the new category, after ALL of them have been converted. Of couse they don't come into the new category all at once, so you could be a Senior guy on the bid, go to training first, be converted first, and guess what?

Now you are ON RESERVE!

Why?

Because even though you might have been number 20 of 100 on the AE bid award, you might also be number 20 of the first 20 guys trained and converted, so now you are the PLUG when you are converted, for some months, until more are trained and converted under you. This might take 6 months or longer, while you commute to reserve! So be careful if you are bidding into any "New" category.

Even though you put Regular Line Only, you may be the reserve plug until everyone else below you is trained and converted.

johnso29

No. I think you'd have Malt.

FIIGMO

Now that's a LADY!

Denny Crane

That's the way I'm reading it too. But that's not the way I see Alfa interpreting it. Alaska can fly from Seattle to any of our hubs but we cannot put our code on the flights. But whenever I think I read contract language correctly I get bitten in the arse! So I was looking for clarification. When I think about it, this would also apply to Alaska flights between SEA/ATL and SEA/MSP.

I'd like clarification from Alfa or Slowplay if I'm right or wrong and, if wrong, how am I reading it wrong.

Denny

johnso29

That's an interesting point, and I'm curious as well.

Denny Crane

Thinking about this situation, I might be happy if I'm wrong. I do hope the 4 to 1 ratio applies here. Otherwise Delta could (not saying it would happen) just cede the market/market share to Alaska.

Denny

GBU-24

Just like the AS flights between SEA and ATL or SEA to MSP...no code share. It’s funny to look at money making flights like SEA to AUS & SAT aren’t code shared either.

So like I said...wait and see if we cut flights = lost $$$ and lost DAL pilots working. These flights are generally full, so if there was room to grow, why didn’t we add a flight.

I wasn't saying earlier that our "contact" can state no this or that...but it could have...this is scope in another color other than the color of "RJ". This deal was in the works before we signed the contact and management knew it. I was sitting in Seattle and saw the announcement a month ago…my thoughts at the time were…great we are expanding Asia…and why are we announcing even a stronger agreement with AS…W$%O…? “What is in the works?”... one month later…bing! I’ll given them (reluctantly) the north/south feed but more expansion into our hubs…NO!

I don’t understand how we as a group don’t have more of voice when it comes to our engagement with management. If DAL has such a strong partnership with AS and we scratch each other’s back then why do I feel we are on the short end of the stick (sts)?

johnso29

Denny,

I'm flying solo in my crashpad bored out of my mind, so I went to Delta and Alaska's websites. I can not find any direct flights in between SEA and MSP/ATL that have shared codes. So I think the same will apply for the SLC flights. No codeshare on flights in or out of any DAL hub.

EDIT: I did find a ATL SEA flight via MSP with the MSP leg being operated by AS that has a codeshare number on it. This specific flight is on 12/17/12. But maybe we have 4 flights in between MSP SEA??? Hmmmmm.......more research to help kill SC.

johnso29

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