Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-31-2012, 07:44 PM
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Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?
-a foreign owner/government may not be compelled to honor our labor laws/contracts
-a foreign owner/government may dismantle our operations and replace it with cheaper labor, crappy mx, etc
-national security is considerably impacted as our CRAF response would be dictated by a foreign owner/government
This is scary stuff and has nothing to do with ALPA or dues money.
10-31-2012, 08:07 PM
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10-31-2012, 08:17 PM
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10-31-2012, 10:46 PM
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Regarding the foreign airlines, I have an honest question. If the average big international carrier has better pay, better progression, better benefits, and more of a drastic need for pilots, what would happen if foreign ownership restrictions are relaxed? I read ALPA's piece on it already. However, aren't Singapore, JAL, Asiana, Emirates etc ALREADY under foreign ownership? Meaning, most of us would be happy to have their progression, payscales, etc "imposed" on us. I would think the foreign pilots would be the ones concerned about it, if they do indeed have it that much better than us. Aren't they worried about Delta becoming the underpaid, overworked regional airline, existing to use our cheap labor to fill their 777s and 787s?
10-31-2012, 10:49 PM
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The fact is they pay great because it's not as desireable. Only a few people will move half way around the world for a job. It's really not much more complicated than that.
10-31-2012, 11:37 PM
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The concern is not over foreign carriers (except for cabotage which is a different threat), but more for the concern of a foreign investor being able to own a controlling interest in a US airline. There are many reasons why we should fear this. A few off the top of mind:
-a foreign owner/government may not be compelled to honor our labor laws/contracts
-a foreign owner/government may dismantle our operations and replace it with cheaper labor, crappy mx, etc
-national security is considerably impacted as our CRAF response would be dictated by a foreign owner/government
This is scary stuff and has nothing to do with ALPA or dues money.
-a foreign owner/government may not be compelled to honor our labor laws/contracts
-a foreign owner/government may dismantle our operations and replace it with cheaper labor, crappy mx, etc
-national security is considerably impacted as our CRAF response would be dictated by a foreign owner/government
This is scary stuff and has nothing to do with ALPA or dues money.
Airlines, like GOL, are a threat to the Delta Pilots. Last I heard, the pay/workrules at GOL were atrocious.
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11-01-2012, 02:53 AM
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11-01-2012, 03:31 AM
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Ok good, then it's not just me. I wasn't supprised to see the side bar ads from Delta, Lund and Bike Nashbar, but wasn't sure where this other stuff came from. While the Ukrainian woman are closer to my age, the ad generator must think that Philipinos are more to my taste.
11-01-2012, 03:40 AM
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Ok good, then it's not just me. I wasn't supprised to see the side bar ads from Delta, Lund and Bike Nashbar, but wasn't sure where this other stuff came from. While the Ukrainian woman are closer to my age, the ad generator must think that Philipinos are more to my taste.
If we channel Jesse, maybe we can get Costa Rica surf school, Asian singles, Ukranian singles, Philipine singles and any other good ones to all move 2.8 miles from each of us.
Whaddaya say?Or, we can go work for Emirates and they will all live in the same highrise as we do...
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11-01-2012, 03:58 AM
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The vast majority of foreign airlines do not pay great. There are a select few. The rest are crap. Just like in the US the crap airlines are killing the legacies. The exception is some mid and Far East airlines. Look carefully however at their scheduling practices. 22 days away from home can be the norm.
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