Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-30-2012, 09:40 AM
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Timbo, I agree completely. But I think guys maxing out their time is also a function of the times we live in. There are months I drop a lot and there are months when I'm compelled to max out for financial reasons. I, too, live in an older home, small, with three kids. I honestly don't know how junior FOs live in Southern California without a military retirement and book royalties. Sure, most commute (as do most CAs) but I don't think most guys WANT to fly to the max. There are a few that I know of but not most. With the pay cuts and benefit cuts we took, most of us have to fly our ass off to make ends meet. I relish the day when airline pilots are, again, compensated for the responsibilities we have. When we can, again, make more than the ATC guys we're chatting with. Then we wouldn't have any guys hitting the max limit by choice.
10-30-2012, 09:56 AM
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Yeahbut...after 6 years of less than one landing per month it'll be more like...
"I used to know how to fly!"
Now I can eat and sleep with the best of them, even in a crosswind or 300RVR!
"It's looking a bit sporty out there, pass the breadsticks please, George has really got his hands full, I hope he doesn't screw it up...what? No cognac? Dammit Man!"
10-30-2012, 10:01 AM
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Add 4% to the 2015 rates 6 months prior to the amendable date and then add 8.5% at the amendable date and 3%, 3% in 2016 and 2017. I'm making $113 an hour now. In just over 4 years from I'd be at $156 an hour.
10-30-2012, 10:02 AM
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Last week I dumped a 33 hr. mil charter to FRA into open time, so I could be at my #4 child's diving competition. That cost me over $7,000, but she was very happy I was there, she was 2nd out of 29 so I was happy I didn't miss that.
The divorced guy who picked it up had over 120hr. for the month...
Geez, I wonder why he's divorced?
I'm sure his ex-wife enjoyed her pay raise.
Oh, and I was out racing my catamaran when I could have been flying a 2 day worth 10:30, so that hobby cost me about $2,300 that weekend.
Life is about living...right?
The divorced guy who picked it up had over 120hr. for the month...
Geez, I wonder why he's divorced?
I'm sure his ex-wife enjoyed her pay raise.Oh, and I was out racing my catamaran when I could have been flying a 2 day worth 10:30, so that hobby cost me about $2,300 that weekend.
Life is about living...right?
10-30-2012, 10:07 AM
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Timbo, I agree completely. But I think guys maxing out their time is also a function of the times we live in. There are months I drop a lot and there are months when I'm compelled to max out for financial reasons. I, too, live in an older home, small, with three kids. I honestly don't know how junior FOs live in Southern California without a military retirement and book royalties. Sure, most commute (as do most CAs) but I don't think most guys WANT to fly to the max. There are a few that I know of but not most. With the pay cuts and benefit cuts we took, most of us have to fly our ass off to make ends meet. I relish the day when airline pilots are, again, compensated for the responsibilities we have. When we can, again, make more than the ATC guys we're chatting with. Then we wouldn't have any guys hitting the max limit by choice.
10-30-2012, 10:11 AM
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Good thing the price of...everything else, has not gone up in those 12 years, right? Hey, at least the Anal-cysts will still be able to buy a round trip tiket for less than $400, just like 1983!
10-30-2012, 10:12 AM
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Our system functions exactly like SW system only better. Why would we want to downgrade. They can pick up time to FAR maximums at straight pay. The same as our WS except we have a cap that limits how much you can pick up and saves jobs. If SW runs out of volunteers at straight rates they pay 1.5 times pay for pickups. At Delta when we run out of WS's we get paid double pay for picked up flying. Really stupid to reduce that to time and half or eliminate the cap for WS's. Our system is superior in every aspect as far as overtime.
I know we are on the same side, but you and I will never agree on this topic.
10-30-2012, 10:15 AM
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10-30-2012, 10:21 AM
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10-30-2012, 10:28 AM
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So...in 2016, you might be getting paid just a little bit less than the same seat paid in 2004. Got it.
Good thing the price of...everything else, has not gone up in those 12 years, right? Hey, at least the Anal-cysts will still be able to buy a round trip tiket for less than $400, just like 1983!
Good thing the price of...everything else, has not gone up in those 12 years, right? Hey, at least the Anal-cysts will still be able to buy a round trip tiket for less than $400, just like 1983!
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