Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-28-2012, 06:29 PM
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Further, since ALPA refuses to even calculate the real cost of outsourcing; inclusive of lawsuits, crashes, bankruptcies, capital improvements and acquisitions, our own union has this idea that the variable block hour costs are all that matter. The quarter billion our company burned through just this quarter on it's failed outsourcing experiments at Comair & Pinnacle aren't even a consideration.
How do you compete with that?
10-28-2012, 06:31 PM
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Game 4 -
I'm not quite sold on the USAF version of "God Bless America". Kinda creepy.
I'm not quite sold on the USAF version of "God Bless America". Kinda creepy.
10-28-2012, 06:32 PM
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Very frankly because they are competing for what we've already established as a separate and different standard for the piloting profession. Since we have allowed their outsourcing, we'd have to underbid the current operators.
Further, since ALPA refuses to even calculate the real cost of outsourcing; inclusive of lawsuits, crashes, bankruptcies, capital improvements and acquisitions, our own union has this idea that the variable block hour costs are all that matter. The quarter billion our company burned through just this quarter on it's failed outsourcing experiments at Comair & Pinnacle aren't even a consideration.
How do you compete with that?
Further, since ALPA refuses to even calculate the real cost of outsourcing; inclusive of lawsuits, crashes, bankruptcies, capital improvements and acquisitions, our own union has this idea that the variable block hour costs are all that matter. The quarter billion our company burned through just this quarter on it's failed outsourcing experiments at Comair & Pinnacle aren't even a consideration.
How do you compete with that?
10-28-2012, 06:46 PM
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10-28-2012, 06:47 PM
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Quick question. DAL is currently selling a bunch of the company's real estate right now, at the bottom of the market. This will generate some cash inflow to the company's bottom line...Which looks good on paper and makes the boss look good to the board, despite argueably being a bad idea long term.
Does this mean RA is going to be leaving us soon?
Does this mean RA is going to be leaving us soon?
10-28-2012, 06:54 PM
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dalad, I think that most of your post are well thought out and informative. Agreed.
If you think that Drank hasn't made any valid points then do you think that the current outsourcing is good for the Delta pilots? Non-sequitur. (and NO it needs to continue to be reduced)
Should we allow more relaxation of the 76 seat RJ's? No, and the wholesale reduction of DCI is a solid step in the in the right direction.
How much of our route network should we concede to ALK? None, and reducing the allowable limits in the most recent agreement is yet another step in the right direction to reduce that.
Should we help the company turn SLC into the next SEA and LAX? Yet another non-sequitur but since you asked; not only no, but he!! no.
We all want Delta to be profitable, it just amazes me how some users on here get slammed for trying to protect our jobs. When I see the very pro DALPA crowd hammer folks who want to protect Delta pilot jobs it makes me wonder who they want to represent. If they were actually trying to protect jobs then they wouldn't be posting non-sense on this board day after day, they'd be stepping up and volunteering to help OUR union be more successful and more effective.
If you think that Drank hasn't made any valid points then do you think that the current outsourcing is good for the Delta pilots? Non-sequitur. (and NO it needs to continue to be reduced)
Should we allow more relaxation of the 76 seat RJ's? No, and the wholesale reduction of DCI is a solid step in the in the right direction.
How much of our route network should we concede to ALK? None, and reducing the allowable limits in the most recent agreement is yet another step in the right direction to reduce that.
Should we help the company turn SLC into the next SEA and LAX? Yet another non-sequitur but since you asked; not only no, but he!! no.
We all want Delta to be profitable, it just amazes me how some users on here get slammed for trying to protect our jobs. When I see the very pro DALPA crowd hammer folks who want to protect Delta pilot jobs it makes me wonder who they want to represent. If they were actually trying to protect jobs then they wouldn't be posting non-sense on this board day after day, they'd be stepping up and volunteering to help OUR union be more successful and more effective.
10-28-2012, 07:01 PM
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10-28-2012, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Free Bird 
dalad, I think that most of your post are well thought out and informative. Agreed.
If you think that Drank hasn't made any valid points then do you think that the current outsourcing is good for the Delta pilots? Non-sequitur. (and NO it needs to continue to be reduced)
Should we allow more relaxation of the 76 seat RJ's? No, and the wholesale reduction of DCI is a solid step in the in the right direction.
How much of our route network should we concede to ALK? None, and reducing the allowable limits in the most recent agreement is yet another step in the right direction to reduce that.
Should we help the company turn SLC into the next SEA and LAX? Yet another non-sequitur but since you asked; not only no, but he!! no.
We all want Delta to be profitable, it just amazes me how some users on here get slammed for trying to protect our jobs. When I see the very pro DALPA crowd hammer folks who want to protect Delta pilot jobs it makes me wonder who they want to represent. If they were actually trying to protect jobs then they wouldn't be posting non-sense on this board day after day, they'd be stepping up and volunteering to help OUR union be more successful and more effective.
It's all about perspective.
dalad, I think that most of your post are well thought out and informative. Agreed.
If you think that Drank hasn't made any valid points then do you think that the current outsourcing is good for the Delta pilots? Non-sequitur. (and NO it needs to continue to be reduced)
Should we allow more relaxation of the 76 seat RJ's? No, and the wholesale reduction of DCI is a solid step in the in the right direction.
How much of our route network should we concede to ALK? None, and reducing the allowable limits in the most recent agreement is yet another step in the right direction to reduce that.
Should we help the company turn SLC into the next SEA and LAX? Yet another non-sequitur but since you asked; not only no, but he!! no.
We all want Delta to be profitable, it just amazes me how some users on here get slammed for trying to protect our jobs. When I see the very pro DALPA crowd hammer folks who want to protect Delta pilot jobs it makes me wonder who they want to represent. If they were actually trying to protect jobs then they wouldn't be posting non-sense on this board day after day, they'd be stepping up and volunteering to help OUR union be more successful and more effective.
It's all about perspective.
10-28-2012, 07:23 PM
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10-28-2012, 07:28 PM
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The first GTF motor for the A320NEO series. Me likey. Let's hope it performs!
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