Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-26-2012, 07:41 AM
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That's only true if you're one of the guys who wants to fly 95 hours/month.
The new rules are great for those guys.
However, if you would prefer a meaningful monthly cap in order to create more jobs and advancement and spend more time with your family then we have gone backwards in a big way.
Not everyone wants/needs all that time and some people want the money to meet financial obligations. This ain't a country club.
As quoted from my previous handler: "Shut up and fly."
PS - I make 200% more and have 200% more time off than I did three years ago. Careful how entitled you sound with these comparisons. We're trying to raise the bar aren't we?
10-26-2012, 07:57 AM
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I've been floored by our stock price changes since the earnings call. Our management team is pretty much screwed if they do, and screwed if they don't. Like you said, they miss EPS by 1 freaking penny. DAL had perhaps the smoothest merger in airline history. DAL has lead the industry in capacity discipline. DAL is aggressive in all cost factors, yet these quarter to quarter guys continue to hammer our stock. 
10-26-2012, 08:05 AM
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Source: Delta Air Lines' CEO Discusses Q3 2012 Results - Earnings Call Transcript - Seeking Alpha
Operator
We’ll take our next question from Mary Jane Credeur with Bloomberg News.
Mary Jane Credeur - Bloomberg News
Hi, folks. Can you talk a little bit about how you’re going to afford that new pilot contract?
Richard Anderson
Hi, Mary Jane, this is Richard. Sorry for not saying hello. When you look at the overall value that we’re going to create as a result of unlocking the ability to refleet plus the productivity that has been built into that agreement, we’re confident that it will be an important part of our ability to get to unit cost over the next couple of years to improve our margins and our return on invested capital.
Glen Hauenstein
And, Mary Jane, this is Ed. One additional thing, we also reduced the profit sharing going forward and that’s an important part of helping to fund that cost growth.
Mary Jane Credeur - Bloomberg News
Sure. Okay. Thank you.
Operator
We’ll take our next question from Mary Jane Credeur with Bloomberg News.
Mary Jane Credeur - Bloomberg News
Hi, folks. Can you talk a little bit about how you’re going to afford that new pilot contract?
Richard Anderson
Hi, Mary Jane, this is Richard. Sorry for not saying hello. When you look at the overall value that we’re going to create as a result of unlocking the ability to refleet plus the productivity that has been built into that agreement, we’re confident that it will be an important part of our ability to get to unit cost over the next couple of years to improve our margins and our return on invested capital.
Glen Hauenstein
And, Mary Jane, this is Ed. One additional thing, we also reduced the profit sharing going forward and that’s an important part of helping to fund that cost growth.
Mary Jane Credeur - Bloomberg News
Sure. Okay. Thank you.
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10-26-2012, 08:06 AM
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You know it was not only our profit sharing that got "cut".... all the non contract employees got theirs chopped.
10-26-2012, 08:07 AM
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If you don't want to work 95 hours a month then PD a trip or two. If you can't PD it, put in a qualified PD. Someone who wants the flexibility to fly their tail off might take it.
Not everyone wants/needs all that time and some people want the money to meet financial obligations. This ain't a country club.
As quoted from my previous handler: "Shut up and fly."
PS - I make 200% more and have 200% more time off than I did three years ago. Careful how entitled you sound with these comparisons. We're trying to raise the bar aren't we?
Not everyone wants/needs all that time and some people want the money to meet financial obligations. This ain't a country club.
As quoted from my previous handler: "Shut up and fly."
PS - I make 200% more and have 200% more time off than I did three years ago. Careful how entitled you sound with these comparisons. We're trying to raise the bar aren't we?
Miss trip parking?
should we demand the right to sell vacations? imagine how much that could be worth!?
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10-26-2012, 08:10 AM
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Our first basketball game is Nov 9th. 
10-26-2012, 08:11 AM
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Intellectually honest is just more forum spin. In January, my pay will have gone up by $55,000 since bankruptcy. So when I hear this bankruptcy wages spin that's all I hear, spin. I know Donald Trump probably thinks $220,000 a year is chump money, but out in the real world there are only a few forum spinners that would refer to that as bankruptcy wages.
The question is not whether we need to continue to raise our wages and benefits, the question is how. Right now, there is no one succeeding at raising the bar like Delta is. 35% in four years and you guys dismiss it as if it is nothing. On average Delta pilots have gained over 40% in four years that is 10+% per year. That is forum spin and completely ignores the real world that we actually live in.
So while you guys preach all or nothing, you completely ignore how the all or nothing crowd has achieved...............nothing. If you had a batter that was hitting .400 and one that was batting .000 who would you take batting lessons from. Oh right, the one without a hit.
The question is not whether we need to continue to raise our wages and benefits, the question is how. Right now, there is no one succeeding at raising the bar like Delta is. 35% in four years and you guys dismiss it as if it is nothing. On average Delta pilots have gained over 40% in four years that is 10+% per year. That is forum spin and completely ignores the real world that we actually live in.
So while you guys preach all or nothing, you completely ignore how the all or nothing crowd has achieved...............nothing. If you had a batter that was hitting .400 and one that was batting .000 who would you take batting lessons from. Oh right, the one without a hit.
Man o man! You've been on the receiving end often, so I get your reaction to anything that questions anything.
Would it be safe to assume that your adult life experience may have followed this path: maybe you went to a service academy, served in the military, came to Delta and continued there until the present? Not that there is anything wrong with that. Most people would consider it admirable.
I have no empathy, granted, but Boomer is recently unemployed from Comair after a 9 year stint as an FO and you are questioning his "living in the real world?"
In my real world, in 2007 a 2x4 stud cost 1.40. Today, it is pushing $3. I remember once when a gallon of regular gas used to have a price that started with a 1 in 2007. Underreported federal inflation/ CPI doesn't make your "real world" real.
If your pay had to buy 2x4s and gas and you got a $50k raise...Amigo, you took a pay cut.
10-26-2012, 08:12 AM
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UAL
Total Operating Revenue: $9.909B
Total Operating Expense minus special charges: $9.195B
Total Operating Income minus special charges: $714M
DAL
Total Operating Income: $9.923B
Total Operating Expenses minus special charges: $8.615B
Total Operating Income: $1.308B.
Is it just me or does anyone else thing that IF UAL gets it's act together it will be a formidable competitor?
Total Operating Revenue: $9.909B
Total Operating Expense minus special charges: $9.195B
Total Operating Income minus special charges: $714M
DAL
Total Operating Income: $9.923B
Total Operating Expenses minus special charges: $8.615B
Total Operating Income: $1.308B.
Is it just me or does anyone else thing that IF UAL gets it's act together it will be a formidable competitor?
10-26-2012, 08:13 AM
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10-26-2012, 08:13 AM
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Intellectually honest is just more forum spin. In January, my pay will have gone up by $55,000 since bankruptcy. So when I hear this bankruptcy wages spin that's all I hear, spin. I know Donald Trump probably thinks $220,000 a year is chump money, but out in the real world there are only a few forum spinners that would refer to that as bankruptcy wages.
The question is not whether we need to continue to raise our wages and benefits, the question is how. Right now, there is no one succeeding at raising the bar like Delta is. 35% in four years and you guys dismiss it as if it is nothing. On average Delta pilots have gained over 40% in four years that is 10+% per year. That is forum spin and completely ignores the real world that we actually live in.
So while you guys preach all or nothing, you completely ignore how the all or nothing crowd has achieved...............nothing. If you had a batter that was hitting .400 and one that was batting .000 who would you take batting lessons from. Oh right, the one without a hit.
The question is not whether we need to continue to raise our wages and benefits, the question is how. Right now, there is no one succeeding at raising the bar like Delta is. 35% in four years and you guys dismiss it as if it is nothing. On average Delta pilots have gained over 40% in four years that is 10+% per year. That is forum spin and completely ignores the real world that we actually live in.
So while you guys preach all or nothing, you completely ignore how the all or nothing crowd has achieved...............nothing. If you had a batter that was hitting .400 and one that was batting .000 who would you take batting lessons from. Oh right, the one without a hit.
Could you please provide how many DAL pilots are actually making 220k per year....uh, maybe exclude the veteran trip parkers, and Carl.
Thank you,
BG
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