Roadkill

Superpilot, Furious, and Junglebus-- thanks much guys for the United nonrev info. Indeed, it was getting some idea of flightloads that I needed to decide whether I could make a trip early tomorrow morning that started with a DH and just popped into open time.
It all looked good... until the United folks told me my intended flight 0-darkthirty tomorrow am just got cancelled. doh!

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Ukrainian man possessing 19 passports remainds held after Delta flight disturbance

gloopy

Um, I'm all about expanding pilot options and stuff, but doods. Srsly. For a pilot group where at least 90% will end up at Delta, is this really a fight worth initiating?



To put it in perspective, DL doesn't allow any offline pilots in their FA jumpseats. Its not like the company is just being mean to CPZ pilots or anything. Using that extremely limited benefit (but a benefit nontheless) on 30 something planes as collateral for forcing sweeping changes at an airline with 700-800 planes is pretty balsy. And stupid.

Make the request. Run it up the chain. You'd likely have most if not all DL pilots agree with you on that. But don't use it as a threat especially when you bring 5% of the seats in question to the table in the first place and then attempt to use that as threatening leverage to force sweeping changes that the company doesn't extend to anyone else anyway right now.

I support the request, but someone needs to step off the "do it or else" nonsense. You can't win anything that way. There are only varying degrees of losing.

gloopy

I gotta disagree on that. Letting over 100K more people have flight deck access, especially in a job category that is just a few weeks from off the street, especially in a FA in KCM world, is a very, very bad idea. If it comes down to Bolshevik rage (which it will) I'd rather just give FA's one blocked passenger seat per flight in the back they can reserve positive space. There is no way we need to let that many entry level workers into one of the most security sensitive seats in the world just so we can play footsies with their feelings of equality.

Roadkill

Agree. For the same reasons, potentially just weeks off the street with only High school and no job or personal history of reliability to speak of behind them, I am totally against them having KCM access. It's completely different giving access to someone with their hands o. The controls anyways vs folks with potentially only weeks invested.

JungleBus

Gloopy, I agree with you here that this is really a pretty tiny issue considering how small we are, how big Delta is, how seldom the FA jumpseat comes in handy, and the fact that most CPZ guys will be over there eventually anyways. And I don't think anyone was making a big issue of it. I didn't see cornbeef's post as a threat or a "do it or else" sort of imperative. He was pointing out that our guys have been going out of our way to help your guys out with their commutes, and we'd love it if you'd do the same for us by spending 3 minutes writing your JSC. It's not a big deal, until you're the guy faced with spending a night at the airport while a plane pushes back with an empty seat.

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Thanks for the memories Coach, you did great...



Malhzahns horrific to the nth degree QB recruits probably did you in, but it's past the point of no return.

Purple Drank

Nothing like that world-class ALPA arrogance.

Can you believe we're paying this clown FPL to insult us?

slowplay

It's getting harder and harder to tell you and 80 apart...

LeineLodge

Yep. My wife went to Vandy. I'll never hear the end of this.