Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-28-2009, 06:08 PM
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I had a friend, very athletic guy mind you, who had his flight kit stolen out of his truck at home one night and the next day when his wife found it in the woods she asked him, "did you have twix bars in your bag? There were twix wrappers all over the place."
07-28-2009, 06:22 PM
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Chief pilot rug dance was next. I told them I would do the same thing again next time because paying passengers pay my salary not chief pilots. I was highly disliked by that chief pilot until the day he was replaced. Poor fellow never tried to see the good points in ole Carl.
Carl
07-28-2009, 06:29 PM
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The Twix is chocked full of Saturated fat. Each little cookie is 25% of the daily value of Sat. fat.
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07-28-2009, 06:37 PM
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Hey Johnso, we DAL-S guys know full well that you guys are bearing the largest brunt of the changes. We feel for you. Some of the changes that we see coming on seem weird to us, so I know how you must feel. But, in the end, we're all a part of a great team and this marriage will benefit us all in the end. Changes are hard, especially in this biz. But, trust me, almost all of the guys I fly with are very considerate and understanding of the culture changes you guys are going through.
Trust me, we're not a bunch of cowboys down south (that would be SWA (jk)). We fly safe jets just as you guys do. There is a culture that is being transformed. Again, that will be merged quickly, IMHO. We have our pre-conceived notions as I'm sure you guys do. In the end. we're all professionals at the world's largest airline. I don't really care who gets the beacon.
Just buy me a beer and share a lie or two.
Trust me, we're not a bunch of cowboys down south (that would be SWA (jk)). We fly safe jets just as you guys do. There is a culture that is being transformed. Again, that will be merged quickly, IMHO. We have our pre-conceived notions as I'm sure you guys do. In the end. we're all professionals at the world's largest airline. I don't really care who gets the beacon.
Just buy me a beer and share a lie or two.
Sounds like a great time Buzz. Can't wait to raise a glass with ya & share some war stories. Well, not real war stories. I know you might have some, but I'm just an AF Brat.
07-28-2009, 06:41 PM
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The decision's not made until I make it. When I was a 757 CA we pushed back on the last flight of the day to BOS. I saw 3 businessmen running and then looking anguished when they saw us pushing back. I told the tug driver to return to the gate. He did. Agents screamed bloody murder and refused to open the door. I made it clear we would not be leaving until the 3 PAX were boarded. They boarded. As they boarded, they said NWA was the greatest airline in the world and they would never forget it. We arrived in BOS 2 minutes early.
Chief pilot rug dance was next. I told them I would do the same thing again next time because paying passengers pay my salary not chief pilots. I was highly disliked by that chief pilot until the day he was replaced. Poor fellow never tried to see the good points in ole Carl.
Carl
Chief pilot rug dance was next. I told them I would do the same thing again next time because paying passengers pay my salary not chief pilots. I was highly disliked by that chief pilot until the day he was replaced. Poor fellow never tried to see the good points in ole Carl.
Carl
I was hoping the North guys would bring this type aggressive attitude to the merger.
Like I said in my last post, some Captains will aggressively pursue it, some will not, but more and more gate agents are having the final say. And I am not talking about after the jetway is pulled - I am talking about the gate agent dropping off paperwork and leaving the cockpit as people are running down the jetway. If any of you guys read the DALPA forums you will see this topic come up every couple of weeks or so. Over the years I have noticed a subtle shift in Captains authority and hopefully the merger will halt what I perceive as a watering down of the Captains authority. Granted this is just my personal opinion, and only from the flights I operate on, but from what I read on the DALPA forums I fear it is a trend in the wrong direction
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07-28-2009, 06:43 PM
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Wow, I don't recognize any of this guys. For the DAL-N guys, don't be concerned, there is definitely order and discipline to the way it works. It seems to me, at first blush, that the DAL-S FO's seem to be more engaged than the DAL-N FOs, but that's a good thing in my opinion. Its a two seat cockpit for a reason. DAL's philosophy is exactly that. I've been on both sides of the argument and it works very well in my opinion.
Secondly, I have never seen a DAL CA without the authority to do whatever it takes...and I've never left a gate without all of the non-revs, paying pax and jumpseaters accommodated (seats available, that is).
Maybe its the 73, maybe its LA, but I don't recognize any of this.
And on an additional note, the beacon on the 73 is part of the FO's flow. If the CA wants it on earlier or later, he asks for it. Its not a big deal and nobody really cares. There's not a dividing line down the middle of the cockpit that I've ever been made aware of. We share responsibility for a safe flight. Period. The CA signs for the jet. I do the best to keep him happy.
Secondly, I have never seen a DAL CA without the authority to do whatever it takes...and I've never left a gate without all of the non-revs, paying pax and jumpseaters accommodated (seats available, that is).
Maybe its the 73, maybe its LA, but I don't recognize any of this.
And on an additional note, the beacon on the 73 is part of the FO's flow. If the CA wants it on earlier or later, he asks for it. Its not a big deal and nobody really cares. There's not a dividing line down the middle of the cockpit that I've ever been made aware of. We share responsibility for a safe flight. Period. The CA signs for the jet. I do the best to keep him happy.
DON'T LIE TO THE COMPANY. They will tolerate most any mistake, but if you start making up stories about what happened, they will fire your xxx lickety split.
07-28-2009, 06:48 PM
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The decision's not made until I make it. When I was a 757 CA we pushed back on the last flight of the day to BOS. I saw 3 businessmen running and then looking anguished when they saw us pushing back. I told the tug driver to return to the gate. He did. Agents screamed bloody murder and refused to open the door. I made it clear we would not be leaving until the 3 PAX were boarded. They boarded. As they boarded, they said NWA was the greatest airline in the world and they would never forget it. We arrived in BOS 2 minutes early.
Chief pilot rug dance was next. I told them I would do the same thing again next time because paying passengers pay my salary not chief pilots. I was highly disliked by that chief pilot until the day he was replaced. Poor fellow never tried to see the good points in ole Carl.
Carl
Chief pilot rug dance was next. I told them I would do the same thing again next time because paying passengers pay my salary not chief pilots. I was highly disliked by that chief pilot until the day he was replaced. Poor fellow never tried to see the good points in ole Carl.
Carl
07-28-2009, 07:10 PM
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07-28-2009, 07:13 PM
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On the MD-88 NYC, I can assure you, even the LCA's will yell at you if you don't have the beacon on within seconds of the door being closed.
I've sat at the gate at JFK, in full view of the CP's Office, for an hour with the beacon on.
The beacon is the last of my worries. And to the person who said the FO is always leaving it on, how can you do that now that the Shutdown checklist is a challenge response with CA callouts. That really hampers you making a connection commute.
I've sat at the gate at JFK, in full view of the CP's Office, for an hour with the beacon on.
The beacon is the last of my worries. And to the person who said the FO is always leaving it on, how can you do that now that the Shutdown checklist is a challenge response with CA callouts. That really hampers you making a connection commute.
07-28-2009, 07:18 PM
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That is one thing I am going to miss is clearly defined roles(SOPA/SMAC). Its nice to know exactly who does what when. None of this willy nilly, each flight deck is different, no rhyme no reason. That should be what we are trying to get away from. With SOPA/SMAC there is no confusion and no room for the captains ego. Much more civilized. IMHO
99% of the time it does not matter but it's that 1% that drives everyone crazy.
99% of the time it does not matter but it's that 1% that drives everyone crazy.
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