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Old 10-08-2012, 01:04 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
Scambo, I could be wrong, but as a 2010 hire we were briefed to have a recommendation by e-mail from airlineapps.com. If the rec was from a delta.com e-mail address, those apps went to the top of the list.
The application goes to the top of the list or the reference goes to the top of the reference list? I have several internal references but they all used their hotmail/gmail/yahoo emails instead of their delta.com email. Is this a problem? Can somone validate that delta.com email refernces have an advantage over other email addresses from Delta pilots?
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I get cold called all the time by guys wanting to park a trip on my line.

The Capt's almost all do it. If a guy has a hole on his schedule, it's just a matter of calling him and seeing if you can be his "friend."


Well...I must be the most hated Capt. on the 777!

Last month I had about 19 days off in a row, never once got a call asking to park a trip, and it was 'legal' then! I've been off for a week already this month, never got a call. In fact, I've been on it 6 years and have never been called by anyone wanting to park a trip on my line. Not once. And my phone numbers are in DBMS.

I have only heard one other Capt. even mention trip parking, once, in general conversation, not as a request. I had no idea what it was, until an F/O educated me.

I think the Capt.s are just to lazy to think of this stuff, but those F/O's are smart, you have to watch them every minute, and NEVER step off the sidewalk, or go down an escalator in front of one!
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
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Good post.
The problem I have with this last contract is that we gave work rule concessions that do nothing but make us work more hours. We eliminated all the true featherbedding long ago. We're not opposing technology or asking for engineers back. Nothing like that. Now we're just working closer and closer to the FAR limits.

Whatever happened to the old "More money, more time off"?
Seems like the "more time off" part of that equation has been ditched.

So...why would the MEC allow us to fly more...? What would motivate them to allow that? Hummm....let me think...

Who gets paid "The Average Line Holder" pay?

Minus reserves, of course, we wouldn't want that 70 number dragging down the average, now would we?

What was the last "Average Line Holder" number they used, about 87 hours per month, or was it 92??

That's why they have no problem with YOU flying more, they get more, and NEVER have to fly the 92.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
OM NOM NOM NOM NOM NOM...


Had a few scared customers who feared geese after the hudson. I always assured them that with 13'6" of 6 bladed prop on each wing that we were the predators, not the prey.
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Old 10-08-2012, 01:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Viper33
The application goes to the top of the list or the reference goes to the top of the reference list? I have several internal references but they all used their hotmail/gmail/yahoo emails instead of their delta.com email. Is this a problem? Can somone validate that delta.com email refernces have an advantage over other email addresses from Delta pilots?
This is true. You need to make sure your recs are being sent via delta.com email addresses if at all possible. This will ensure you get max credit for an internal rec. The system they use simply filters out by the delta.com email extension. No human eyes see it (yet) to notice that you have internal recs. That's why it is so important.
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
So...why would the MEC allow us to fly more...? What would motivate them to allow that? Hummm....let me think...

Who gets paid "The Average Line Holder" pay?

Minus reserves, of course, we wouldn't want that 70 number dragging down the average, now would we?

What was the last "Average Line Holder" number they used, about 87 hours per month, or was it 92??

That's why they have no problem with YOU flying more, they get more, and NEVER have to fly the 92.


It is 87 presently, and though it is line holder average, it is a "pay-hour" average for the preceding 12 months, not necessarily a "line value average"

Btw, there is room to change it to include reserves... To start the process, you have to show up at an LEC meeting and present a resolution. I'm sure if you had one or two friends around the system who presented a similar resolution at their next LEC meeting there would be a high likelihood of the calculation method changing when brought to the MEC...
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I'll concede that it is possible but I don't think it's going to be as easy as you think. To do this you (again the generic you) and one of your buddies has to buddy bid the same schedule and then you have to bring in the third guy. I was just looking/thinking about my example and it is flawed. First, Pilot B would have to give his B trip to Pilot C, then Pilot A would give his A trip to Pilot B, whiteslip the opentime trip and then pick up Pilot B's B trip from Pilot C. I'm sure there are other iterations, we'll just have to wait and see.........Time will tell...........

At least it eliminates it for most categories..........(I guess my glass is half full this morning!)

Denny
Also once it goes into the open time pot won't senior guys get it who have put in a generic white slip?
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Old 10-08-2012, 02:53 PM
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Originally Posted by PilotFrog
So is SEA going to be the new JFK. I gotta look at the bid package and see if the ER trips are all like the old JFK trips only to Asia instead of to Europe.
If SEA is gonna be the new NYC, that means that the international flying there is gonna get whacked mercilessly. Just sayin'
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Well...I must be the most hated Capt. on the 777!

Last month I had about 19 days off in a row, never once got a call asking to park a trip, and it was 'legal' then! I've been off for a week already this month, never got a call. In fact, I've been on it 6 years and have never been called by anyone wanting to park a trip on my line. Not once. And my phone numbers are in DBMS.

I have only heard one other Capt. even mention trip parking, once, in general conversation, not as a request. I had no idea what it was, until an F/O educated me.

I think the Capt.s are just to lazy to think of this stuff, but those F/O's are smart, you have to watch them every minute, and NEVER step off the sidewalk, or go down an escalator in front of one!
Timbo;
I'll take you at your word, but my last trip, we overlapped with the other crew in the lobby.

One Capt to the other: "my line is your line."

The 2 Capts on my trip talked about it in briefing, prior to break splitup, on the crew van, etc.

I said, why dont you guys just greenslip and not touch the open time.

My Capt: "PPPfffffttt! that way I'd never get over 75 hours."

And yes I've been coldcalled frequently. My standard response is: "I'm trying to swap something into that hole."
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Old 10-08-2012, 03:24 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
If SEA is gonna be the new NYC, that means that the international flying there is gonna get whacked mercilessly. Just sayin'

I'm sure he meant to say the old JFK

They've been saying for some time that the 7ER will be the Pacific plane... I guess they really meant it. Did you know, for instance that it's a 7ER from NRT to PEK? There's all sorts of ER flying now that's 'off the radar' in terms of what we normally see. They are going to use a 7ER between JFK and SEA too I see.

I've given up trying to predict what airplane will go where, I've been fence sitting on a bid and probably the only people more confused than I am is crew resources. I mean, what widebody can you reasonably count on being stable? They shift flying all over the place now.

I wonder too if the days of point to point Europe flying are over for good, or just on hiatus until the economy picks up again. And when it does, what sort of airplanes will we have flying it? The older ER's are about 1991 vintage, so they've got about 10 years left in them.

JFK is extremely important though. I think we'll see DL flying bigger metal to the business markets for now, and trying to steal some customers from UCal and AA. But when you see markets like IST just vaporize, it's pretty disconcerting.

That Haneda slot time out of SEA looks pretty painful... who are we connecting over here at 6PM Pacific time? The slot times need improvement or that route will fail too. PVG... no idea. I hope it's a winner, and they bump it up to a 330 or a 777.
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