Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-08-2012, 01:54 AM
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Most Definately. Here is my favorite part...
Wow, the force is strong with your BS. Apparently now, even though the will of the pilots was ignored that's OK because there was only one survey and that's not enough.
You should get hip waders, this BS is spilling over the top of your boot.
Wow, the force is strong with your BS. Apparently now, even though the will of the pilots was ignored that's OK because there was only one survey and that's not enough.
You should get hip waders, this BS is spilling over the top of your boot.
10-08-2012, 02:54 AM
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Don't you know the MEC and ALPA Legal have final creative control over LEC Letters? That's still vastly filtered. That's like a horse that can talk. "That's amazing!" you say, but you should still wonder later why that horse could talk.
The MEC controls the spin. The contract survey said simply "more money, less RJs". One Internet based survey isn't enough to specify specific contract demands. In terms of two months of section 6 we got exactly what we paid for.
The MEC controls the spin. The contract survey said simply "more money, less RJs". One Internet based survey isn't enough to specify specific contract demands. In terms of two months of section 6 we got exactly what we paid for.
LEC communications and opinion, while usually supportive and complimentary, are independent of the MEC. If you have read the perspectives and opinion of 1, 20, 54, and occasionally others who express a counterpoint it is quite evident they were not "approved" and endorsed prior to publishing.
Reference the contact survey it was comprehensive, with a high level of participation from all demographics and categories and provided statically accurate highly valid data. There were both general "improve this" as we'll as very specific values. It provided clear direction. The MEC's job was to filter the achievable from the unrealistic (i.e. we want everything) and prioritize. It is a source of ongoing discussion of how well that, and the direction of the MEC was followed, aka "navel lint" and "hammering at our foundations"
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10-08-2012, 03:07 AM
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10-08-2012, 04:02 AM
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10-08-2012, 04:12 AM
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That is factually incorrect. While it is customary to submit communications to the Comm Chairman for review, and edits and corrections are frequently incorporated it is not mandatory to do so, nor binding.
LEC communications and opinion, while usually supportive and complimentary, are independent of the MEC. If you have read the perspectives and opinion of 1, 20, 54, and occasionally others who express a counterpoint it is quite evident they were not "approved" and endorsed prior to publishing.
Reference the contact survey it was comprehensive, with a high level of participation from all demographics and categories and provided statically accurate highly valid data. There were both general "improve this" as we'll as very specific values. It provided clear direction. The MEC's job was to filter the achievable from the unrealistic (i.e. we want everything) and prioritize. It is a source of ongoing discussion of how well that, and the direction of the MEC was followed, aka "navel lint" and "hammering at our foundations"
10-08-2012, 04:13 AM
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10-08-2012, 04:13 AM
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By all accounts, the C2012 missed guidance by formal polling from the membership by a pretty wide margin. Is that not statistical evidence enough? How can they say they have the will of the pilot group when they directly ignored the polling that told them what it was?
As far as the voting result for the contract, C2012 was passed after serious propaganda saying "you arent going to get any better- don't you want new airplanes?" from both ALPA and management. 38% of the group voted no on it and many that voted yes begrudgingly did so as a result of the propaganda campaign.... moving that 38% margin much closer to at least the 50% mark.
So no, the representatives don't necessarily have it right by the statements in your first paragraph.
As far as the voting result for the contract, C2012 was passed after serious propaganda saying "you arent going to get any better- don't you want new airplanes?" from both ALPA and management. 38% of the group voted no on it and many that voted yes begrudgingly did so as a result of the propaganda campaign.... moving that 38% margin much closer to at least the 50% mark.
So no, the representatives don't necessarily have it right by the statements in your first paragraph.
That information campaign about the TA cost a lot of money. When I was told what the aprox cost was, I was floored.
10-08-2012, 04:19 AM
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Tis true after looking at the crew planning news.
Here we see ATL 767 displacing...
Oh, they went to the ER so now out come ER pilots... who send junior ER pilots to the 737...
who send 737 pilots to the MD-88...
Here we see ATL 767 displacing...
Oh, they went to the ER so now out come ER pilots... who send junior ER pilots to the 737...
who send 737 pilots to the MD-88...
10-08-2012, 04:19 AM
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Originally Posted by From around 2002
NEW DELHI: ... Air-India has decided to ink a three-way agreement with the Air France-Delta combine.
The pact allows Delta of the US to fly six times a week on this sector while Air-India will get royalty on three flights.
Interestingly, these flights will carry the codes of both Air France and Delta while Air-India will benefit from royalty payments on these flights.
On the three flights operated by Air France, the national carrier will enjoy code-sharing on two flights. The proposed commercial arrangement compares with the earlier system of Air-India enjoying a code-share agreement with Air France on 3 flights every week.
A-I is signing a connect code-share agreement with Delta Airways of the US, which operates a global alliance with Air France, to give effect to the proposed plan, highly-placed sources in the Civil Aviation Ministry said.
Delta, which was earlier flying from Mumbai to Frankfurt on way to the US, will now fly through the French capital. That would leave Lufthansa as the lone player on the Mumbai-Frankfurt sector.
The series of changes follow Air France's decision to reduce its frequency to Mumbai by three flights. The reduction in frequency come into effect last month, the sources said.
However, Air France is operating bigger aeroplanes on the Mumbai-Paris sector and this ensure that capacity is not cut down 50 per cent.
The pact allows Delta of the US to fly six times a week on this sector while Air-India will get royalty on three flights.
Interestingly, these flights will carry the codes of both Air France and Delta while Air-India will benefit from royalty payments on these flights.
On the three flights operated by Air France, the national carrier will enjoy code-sharing on two flights. The proposed commercial arrangement compares with the earlier system of Air-India enjoying a code-share agreement with Air France on 3 flights every week.
A-I is signing a connect code-share agreement with Delta Airways of the US, which operates a global alliance with Air France, to give effect to the proposed plan, highly-placed sources in the Civil Aviation Ministry said.
Delta, which was earlier flying from Mumbai to Frankfurt on way to the US, will now fly through the French capital. That would leave Lufthansa as the lone player on the Mumbai-Frankfurt sector.
The series of changes follow Air France's decision to reduce its frequency to Mumbai by three flights. The reduction in frequency come into effect last month, the sources said.
However, Air France is operating bigger aeroplanes on the Mumbai-Paris sector and this ensure that capacity is not cut down 50 per cent.
10-08-2012, 04:22 AM
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