Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-06-2012, 02:46 PM
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Will do.
I never feel like Delta is doing the "pooping" the sh1t seems to be coming from the people I pay every month. I expect DAL management to do everything in its power to maximize $$ for the shareholders (I still have my shares). I expect my union to maximize our profitability without giving away the farm.
This illustrates the problem with the idea of change from within. The system will go to extraordinary lengths to protect itself.
I never feel like Delta is doing the "pooping" the sh1t seems to be coming from the people I pay every month. I expect DAL management to do everything in its power to maximize $$ for the shareholders (I still have my shares). I expect my union to maximize our profitability without giving away the farm.
This illustrates the problem with the idea of change from within. The system will go to extraordinary lengths to protect itself.
10-06-2012, 02:52 PM
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I couldn't agree more. It's an easy vote for me. I want an MEC focused on our contract, the other stuff being pandered by some of the candidates was just political fluff.
Why would we want to model our MEC after less effective MEC's? Our MEC is delivering results, improving the pay of the average Delta pilot, capturing more Delta pilot flying inside the Delta system, which increases staffing requirements for the mainline, improving domestic and international code share language, expanded joint venture protections and increasing the size of the Delta mainline fleet to 796 aircraft by the end of 2015. And they did it under-budget.
We don't need lint pickers, or reps with a political ax to grind, we need leadership with it's eye on what's important.
Why would we want to model our MEC after less effective MEC's? Our MEC is delivering results, improving the pay of the average Delta pilot, capturing more Delta pilot flying inside the Delta system, which increases staffing requirements for the mainline, improving domestic and international code share language, expanded joint venture protections and increasing the size of the Delta mainline fleet to 796 aircraft by the end of 2015. And they did it under-budget.
We don't need lint pickers, or reps with a political ax to grind, we need leadership with it's eye on what's important.
I cannot speak to the current candidates, although joining the winning side and claiming the high road while not living up to previous campaign promises and rhetoric is not a desirable characteristic I want to see in a candidate.
Speaking to the current small field in C20 I have heard there will be some stealth candidates who are either going to write themselves in or have ballot stuffing at the nomination meeting. Kilowatts and Rhythm and Blues. Not what I want to see in a candidate either. If you are running, stand up and have the stones to announce and appeal to the whole LEC on your merits.
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10-06-2012, 03:03 PM
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Go Gators! 
10-06-2012, 03:07 PM
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Go Gators!!!! Chomp Chomp!!!
10-06-2012, 03:11 PM
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Which less effective MEC's? Never mind the old evil APA. Delivering results that are not reflective of the will of the pilot group flies in the face of a democratic organization. Gerrymandering the vote and process until you get the democratic result you desire is not leadership, nor lint picking. Fascism, communism, and feudalism have all delivered positive results at one point or another. I cannot speak to the current candidates, although joining the winning side and claiming the high road while not living up to previous campaign promises and rhetoric is not a desirable characteristic I want to see in a candidate.
94% turnout.
62%-38%
Every single council in favor.
This is gerrymadering? Really? It looks to me like your point of view lost a whole series of democratic elections.
Speaking to the current small field in C20 I have heard there will be some stealth candidates who are either going to write themselves in or have ballot stuffing at the nomination meeting. Kilowatts and Rhythm and Blues. Not what I want to see in a candidate either. If you are running, stand up and have the stones to announce and appeal to the whole LEC on your merits.
If the result doesn't come out the way you want, will it be gerrymandered?
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10-06-2012, 03:32 PM
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Tough to collect a check when you and your union burn your company to the ground. American Airlines was recently ranked the most likely company to not exist at the end of 2013. Why? Because the pilots hated management and they've ruined the brand.
10-06-2012, 03:34 PM
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94% turnout.
62%-38%
Every single council in favor.
This is gerrymadering? Really? It looks to me like your point of view lost a whole series of democratic elections.
I'd prefer everyone be up front to. Isn't this predicting a repeat of DTW last cycle?
If the result doesn't come out the way you want, will it be gerrymandered?
94% turnout.
62%-38%
Every single council in favor.
This is gerrymadering? Really? It looks to me like your point of view lost a whole series of democratic elections.
I'd prefer everyone be up front to. Isn't this predicting a repeat of DTW last cycle?
If the result doesn't come out the way you want, will it be gerrymandered?
10-06-2012, 03:37 PM
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That argument works both ways. The short time from fervent sales pitch and the company securing a huge productivity increase to the current tone/language coming from ALPA/management is instructive. And yet none of the preexisting conditions when the contract was voted on have really changed. Not only that but we spent some future retirements in the process.
It's a sales job that was not honest and no two ways about it is leading to more stagnation for those trapped in the middle and at the bottom................Dude.
Spin away.
Doesn't matter what ALPA says, or what the company says. My instruction leads me to believe you would have voted no if we'd been given FDX+5%. Well within your right but its weird that the vocal minority still can't sell their idealism, isn't it?
10-06-2012, 03:38 PM
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And what about management hating the pilots? Interesting as a union member you, and our MEC regulars seem biased to blame the pilots. There is always more to the story. I'm sure the APA will never want to join ALPA after the trashing they've received from DALPA and Moak, but then we have to have a boogeyman to rationalize our engagement that is too far in the other direction.
10-06-2012, 03:40 PM
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That's not really true, but putting the vitriol aside for a moment, what exactly should "we" do about it?
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