slowplay

Fair statement.

Sink r8

I thought he did, in writing. Does he need to tattoo it on his behind also?

Plus, I used the wrong term when I said "forward". I think the whole point of this discussion was that we're all NOT moving forward, but together. No progression, but no class warfare either.

Or are you arguing that our eyes deceive us, and we're actually experiencing progression? I see security in capacity discipline, but so far, no progression from the TA, just very gradual back-pedalling in every company communication, and in the most recent AE. As far as the next AE, I defy anyone to use the Nov CR "update" to paint a clear picture of what will happen there.

SailorJerry

Here's the AD you speak of.

http://www.airweb.faa.gov/Regulatory...2012-12-09.pdf

SailorJerry

Guess we know where they'll displace pilots from to fund the DTW base. You know they will...

johnso29

Here's a interesting tidbit from the Fall 2012 DC9 newsletter the 9 Iron News....


Statistically speaking, Maintenance Control and Line Maintenance appear to be doing a terrific job keeping the DC9 flying as we get closer and closer to the sunset of its life at Delta. I hear very few pilot complaints regarding the number of MEL items on board or issues regarding the quality of repairs. As the most profitable fleet in Delta’s livery, it is important to assure a high level of reliability in the aircraft.

Viva la DC9!!!!!!!!

NuGuy

Yup. Enjoy those sub-par pay rate increases. It only cost you a minimum of 300 jobs and 150 upgrades.

How many more "pay increases" until many of us are outsourced/surplused? I'm not sure I can stand many more "increases".

Nu

johnso29

Going to sting for SWA.

SailorJerry

At an estimated cost of $510 an airplane?

Well...unless they're all cracked.

johnso29

Oh, I read that wrong. I looked at the total US operators cost.

slowplay

I'm sure you can model rate increases using your methodology...someplace...right?

At DragonCon maybe?

Here in the real world we should be looking at real world results. At the time of our TA we were the second least efficient pilot group in the majors (only AMR was lower). There are plenty of sources for that info. Maybe you can talk of the outsourced/surplused pilots at those more efficient properties? Then take a look at our rates in that light.

SWAPA's amendable date was a month ago. How are their negotiations going?

Instead of looking at threats to our careers and opportunities for our advancement we have a bunch of people, including several candidates for office, focused on belly button lint. They're calling for "consensus" while advocating a position taken by the minority in the last TA. In other words there'll only be "consensus" when it's done their way. They're arguing for "consensus" and calling for political election of the MEC Chair. They're doing the same for committee chairs. Really?

How does any of that improve the pay, benefits, working conditions and job security of the Delta pilots? How many line pilots actually give a crap about these "issues?"

I don't know if anybody has announced for C81. In C20 there have only been 2 candidates announced for Capt and 1 for FO rep. In ATL there were 4 Capt candidates and 5 FO candidates for nomination. That's not exactly an outpouring of angst among councils representing over 6000 pilots. Yet I look at candidates that send out 5 letters saying there's too much to talk about, yet repeat the same thing in each letter...no meat. I see very few focusing on the issues of the majority...ya know the pay, benefits, working conditions and retirement of the pilots. I see a lot of navel gazing.

So I hope you do enjoy your rate increases. Should your point of view ever win the day, I'll hold you to the same standard that the minority currently holds those doing our work. And I sincerely hope they can prove me wrong and not be the failures that others that have tried the path they advocate have been.