TANSTAAFL

Don't disagree. ditto the PCL issue, however it was stated that:

a) 717's now not showing until Sep 13 (Nov staffing memo)

b) we don't need to hire due to surplus and higher ALV caused by TA (AMS base visit)

c) we are making record profits even in a (overstated for cover) weak economy

d) we have gone from hiring this year, to maybe hiring this year, to hiring next year, to maybe hiring next year, to a small surplus of 320 pilots to a "sizable" surplus to fill surplus MD88 in the hope they bid (or will displace) to short course over to the 717. (ALPA. Flt Ops, Crew Planning)

e) good news is some possible DC9 and 330/747 intentional awards (or maybe no displacements?) to surplussing in anticipation of training constraints and uncertainty of 62-65 retirements (Crew Planning)

The TA was a huge win - just not for the Delta pilots.

Sink r8

You need a third apology from Dragon, Slow? He's moved forward, you should too.

slowplay

When were the B717's supposed to be delivered? August. When do they enter revenue service? September. What's changed? Nothing.

And the JF "record profits" are a good thing, even if in margin terms they're nowhere close to record, no?

As to the rest, enjoy the 12.84% pay increase January 1, the extra days off, extra vacation pay, etc. I'm sure you would have done better.

slowplay

Nope. The apology doesn't mean much. Rejection of that type of rhetoric as we move forward is what I'd like.

TANSTAAFL

Actually the memo says "receiving' in September, not entering service, so that is a delay.

The fact that we did just OK does not negate the fact that we likely could have done much better, but since that chapter is closed you can make the revisionist history call, but of course you knew that would be the case once you got your way.

Yes, thank you for letting me buy my pay increase with productivity that will result in several years stagnation. I'm sure those getting displaced off the 767 and 320 will want to thank you as well. Damn that economy.

Go ahead and say it was the will of the Reps, pilots, etc and those who were in the minority are just sore losers.

More puppet master soma for the masses.

johnso29

Have there been any updates WRT the cracks found in the B717's? Is there an AD out that may slow their arrival?

Brocc15

The point is we shouldn't have given stuff up in exchange for that.

Anyway did you all hear, not this upcoming AE , but the NEXT one is going to be HUGE!!!

buzzpat

A DTW 73N base, finally!! The other night there were 8 Delta pilots all bellied up to the hotel bar...all 8 were LAX 73 guys. We had more guys there then we get at our LEC meetings.

buzzpat

Slow, your input is normally good stuff...your delivery sucks. I'm sure we could all tighten up our rhetoric, you included.

SailorJerry

We're definitely going to have to do our own flying if PNCL gets hammered by the 1113. No one will work there. They'd rather work at Silver or GoJets.

And an 1113 still won't allow an airline to buy 17 CRJ-900s, staff them, fly them for a year, then throw them in the desert for less than we can do in house.

Can't please everybody but mostly it seems like you can't please anybody around here.