Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
10-05-2012, 08:31 PM
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I'm coming from days off and around 2p acknowledged a 1:30 p SC for the next day. Then around 10p get a call telling me I did not acknowledge my 8:30am trip. Apparently, anything we acknowledge prior to 3p is null and void. Does this sound right?
10-05-2012, 08:42 PM
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You have to check your schedule after 3. Anything prior to 3 can be added or taken away.
10-05-2012, 08:50 PM
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10-05-2012, 09:01 PM
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10-05-2012, 09:56 PM
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Actually with the current suffocating stagnation/capacity discipline, guys hired in 2001 are looking at a 20 to 25 year upgrade! 14 years would be nice. And I'm not talking about the one guy who slips into a Detroit DC9. I'm talking about average Joe Pilot.
10-05-2012, 10:03 PM
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10-05-2012, 10:06 PM
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Agreed! I'm at 12 years and a junior narrow body FO (albeit in LA). A left seat in two years would be great...but I'm not commuting to ATL to fly the 717 (even if I could hold it, which I probably can't).
10-06-2012, 01:26 AM
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That is correct - I expect to reach 22 years at DAL at retirement without sitting in the left seat (2000 hire). I won't sit NYC M88 A (or NYC or DTW 717 A) just to sit in the left seat. That's OK, I came to terms with that a long time ago (after my return from furlough).
10-06-2012, 04:54 AM
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You think it's better being stuck part of the way up a never moving list?
If you're anywhere on a non-moving list, because it's still a mon-moving industry, then you have my condolences, and my company to boot. And if you've got some longevity that makes you feel married to this airline, then you're not getting yours the very same way we're all not getting ours. You're not special in that regard.
But if you're at the bottom of a non-moving list, with little longevity invested, and you can clearly identify some other lists are moving, and you're investing your time in whining rather than writing resumes, George Carlyn has some categories you might fit into. Because that kind of activity is not just irrational, but just plain stupid.
Either Delta is a good bet, or it isn't. Make the call, go for the greener pastures, or commiserate with rest of us about being stuck, but don't look for any sympathy because you think you've identified better options that you don't have the courage to try. In other words, I disagree with the offensive "if you don't like it, leave", but I fully support the notion that if you think it's better elsewhere, go.
This conversation reminds of the raging [deleted] that I flew with upon returning from furlough, and told me they surely would leave if they were in my shoes, because it's a beautiful world out there, and they have a neighbor making... Just as beautifully hypocritical, maybe more so, because the [deleted] that were trying to rectify their own lack of courage vicariously through me had no real intentions or means of leaving. Whereas a bottom guy, if it's truly better elsewhere (which I'm not debating) actually CAN, and SHOULD take the step.
Either way, my compliments to those that have made a decision on staying or leaving, and are acting accordingly, minus the drama.
"They got theirs". WAFJ!
If you're anywhere on a non-moving list, because it's still a mon-moving industry, then you have my condolences, and my company to boot. And if you've got some longevity that makes you feel married to this airline, then you're not getting yours the very same way we're all not getting ours. You're not special in that regard.
But if you're at the bottom of a non-moving list, with little longevity invested, and you can clearly identify some other lists are moving, and you're investing your time in whining rather than writing resumes, George Carlyn has some categories you might fit into. Because that kind of activity is not just irrational, but just plain stupid.
Either Delta is a good bet, or it isn't. Make the call, go for the greener pastures, or commiserate with rest of us about being stuck, but don't look for any sympathy because you think you've identified better options that you don't have the courage to try. In other words, I disagree with the offensive "if you don't like it, leave", but I fully support the notion that if you think it's better elsewhere, go.
This conversation reminds of the raging [deleted] that I flew with upon returning from furlough, and told me they surely would leave if they were in my shoes, because it's a beautiful world out there, and they have a neighbor making... Just as beautifully hypocritical, maybe more so, because the [deleted] that were trying to rectify their own lack of courage vicariously through me had no real intentions or means of leaving. Whereas a bottom guy, if it's truly better elsewhere (which I'm not debating) actually CAN, and SHOULD take the step.
Either way, my compliments to those that have made a decision on staying or leaving, and are acting accordingly, minus the drama.
"They got theirs". WAFJ!
Normally I like what you have to say. In this case I was specifically speaking about T and sailing. Two who routinely champion the idea that if you're not happy, leave.
I was attempting to commiserate with others here. Obviously I touched a nerve and for that I apologize. I know Delta is a great company, I'm just frustrated that every time we're told lies and half truths to attempt to keep morale up. On the bottom, or the middle we can't move up relatively speaking without new hiring at the bottom.
I don't plan on leaving Delta, but does that mean I can't be dissatisfied with where I sit and the apparent stagnation. Before anyone says we're stagnated because of the economy. Delta has posted record profits during this time and we bought 88 717s and 100 737s and it looks like we'll keep the 9 for another year. Why shouldn't that require more pilots.
Anyway didn't realize I had the drama meter on high. Sorry!
10-06-2012, 05:03 AM
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OR you can be smart enough to understand EVERYONE is affected by stagnation, and realize everyone's poor situation throughout the list is proportional to the years they have in. If the bottom guy is stuck without newhires to take his place, that means we're all stuck somewhere. In that case, we could commiserate together, not insult each other by trying to show who's... victimer, and victimest.
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