Sink r8

...diregarding

Bucking Bar

disregard .....

Sink r8

...disregarding.

Sometimes, removing does more to improve the discussion than posting.

forgot to bid

Alright, I'm not trying to threaten anyone here but if I don't get some good fun news by 5pm then I'm going to start posting ALL of the ATL NOTAMS, at will.

In the interim, for a RJ pilot that was not in the DCI system and could've cared less then and barely care now about Comair much less this whole stapling and lawsuit thing, so can I get a quick synopsis to catch up?

And lastly, what do people have against the term "Easy Victor"? I know its new but it makes sense.

rvr350

How about any intel on when the next round of displacement is coming out?

H46Bubba

That's a big can of worms that even I won't touch! It's better left alone.

buzzpat

...and I'll follow up by posting all of the JFK NOTAMS. That place is a nightmare.

FlyingViking

The server might not be able to handle all of that...

Scoop

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In the interim, for a RJ pilot that was not in the DCI system and could've cared less then and barely care now about Comair much less this whole stapling and lawsuit thing, so can I get a quick synopsis to catch up?


FTB,

Below is the infamous "Letter." If memory serves COMAIR went on strike around 2000 and DALPA bent over backwards to accommodate and help them - I remember $ from my paychecks being deducted to go to a Comair Pilots fund. We also would not fly any "struck work." Well then 911 hits DAL is massively furloughing, Comair and ASA are hiring like crazy. I was not looking for a DCI job so my information may not be as extensive as some other guys on this board, but the jist of it was ASA was hiring DAL guys and Comair wouldn't give us the time of day.
Comair was requiring DAL Pilots to resign their seniority which the Comair Pilots union supported - see below. What really makes this whole episode really fascinating is then when DAL started to hire the Comair union did an about face and basically said - Lets all be friends now - we will be glad to hire DAL Pilots and not force seniority resignation. Give me a break - DAL was hiring at this time any furloughed pilot could come back to DAL. Talk about a hollow gesture.

One more thing - As you can see from the letter they wanted to integrate seniority lists. Well from what I heard, and I'm sure I will be quickly corrected if wrong, DALPA said fine but you are going on the bottom of the list. The Comair Pilots union said - "We want DOH." And to think, if they would have accepted that offer there would now be former Comair guys flying the 767-ER to Europe now.



TO: Comair Pilots
FROM: J.C. Lawson, Comair MEC Chairman
DATEecember 16, 2002
Your MEC met in CVG with the Delta MEC Chairman, Captain Will Buergey, at his request, to discuss preferential hiring of furloughed Delta pilots at Comair. Through this letter, I hope to dispel rumors and provide a more thorough understanding of the purpose and outcome of that meeting.

The Delta MEC, while in session at the bi-annual October Board of Directors meeting in Hollywood, Florida, formally directed the Delta MEC Chairman via resolution to meet with the Comair MEC Chairman to seek preferential hiring for furloughed Delta pilots at Comair while allowing them to retain their Delta seniority.

The general philosophy held by the Comair MEC is:

We are sensitive to the regrettable plight of all furloughed pilots in our industry.
We encourage our management to hire pilots who seek a future at Comair.
We have formally approached Comair management and our management has agreed to preferential hiring of furloughed ALPA pilots.
We agree with our company's policy that requires prospective Comair pilots to resign their seniority at their previous carrier.
We believe our Company's industry-standard policy requiring seniority resignation is sound and wise. It promotes the general health and welfare of all Comair employees and serves to protect the future of our company.
At our meeting in CVG, Captain Buergey offered preferential hiring to Comair pilots if the Comair MEC would recommend to Comair management that they hire furloughed Delta pilots and allow them to retain their Delta seniority.

Your MEC responded that hiring any pilots at Comair who do not resign their seniority at their previous carrier gives rise to numerous substantive concerns. The Delta MEC's offer of (future) preferential hiring at Delta is not sufficiently substantive to overcome those concerns and solicit Comair pilots' support. We suggested three alternative concepts, any one or all of which might lead to a mutually beneficial solution:

Relax the Delta PWA, Section 1, seat restrictions imposed upon Comair and ASA that limit our growth in 70-seat and larger airframes.
Negotiate Delta Brand Scope language with Delta management that defines all Delta flying within the Delta revenue stream to be performed solely by Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots.
Negotiate a plan for future integration of our Delta, Comair, and ASA pilots seniority lists that fairly recognizes the efforts and contributions of all.

The Comair MEC stands ready to work with the collective MEC's to bring about change that makes sense in a challenging economic environment and works for all pilots who perform flying under the Delta brand. As we stated in the Tuesday, December 3rd meeting, our door is still open.

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY41018
859-282-9016 FAX 859-283-5533

satchip

The word "hubris" comes to mind.