Originally Posted by scambo1

PCIEE FO CKAE !

Wow! I've seen this with the letters out of order, but this is the first time I've seen it with numbers.
Good example of a Brain Study: If you can read this OUT LOUD you have a strong mind.
And better than that: Alzheimer’s is a long, long, ways down the road before it ever gets anywhere near you.

7H15 M3554G3
> 53RV35 7O PR0V3
> H0W 0UR M1ND5 C4N
> D0 4M4Z1NG 7H1NG5!
> 1MPR3551V3 7H1NG5!
> 1N 7H3 B3G1NN1NG
> 17 WA5 H4RD BU7
> N0W, 0N 7H15 LIN3
> Y0UR M1ND 1S
> R34D1NG 17
> 4U70M471C4LLY
> W17H 0U7 3V3N
> 7H1NK1NG 4B0U7 17,
> B3 PROUD! 0NLY
> C3R741N P30PL3 C4N
> R3AD 7H15.
> PL3453 F0RW4RD 1F
> U C4N R34D 7H15.
>
> To my 'selected' strange-minded friends:
>
>
> If you can read the following paragraph, forward it on to your friends and the person that sent it to you with 'yes' in the subject line. Only great minds can read this. This is weird, but interesting!
>
> If you can raed this, you have a sgtrane mnid, too.
>
> Can you raed this? Olny 55 plepoe out of 100 can. I cdnuolt blveiee that I cluod aulaclty uesdnatnrd what I was rdanieg. The phaonmneal pweor of the hmuan mnid, aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it dseno't mtaetr in what oerdr the ltteres in a word are, the olny iproamtnt tihng is that the frsit and last ltteer be in the rghit pclae. The rset can be a taotl mses and you can still raed it whotuit a pboerlm. This is bcuseaethe huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the word as a wlohe. Azanmig huh? Yaeh and I awlyas tghuhot slpeling was ipmorantt! If you can raed this forwrad it
>
> FORWARD ONLY IF YOU CAN READ IT
> Forward it & put 'YES' in the Subject Line
>
> Even if you are not old, you will find this interesting...
>
>
> Short Neurological Test
>
> 1- Find the C below.. Please do not use any cursor help.
>
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
> OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO​O
>
> 2- If you already found the C, now find the 6 below.
>
> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
> 69999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
> 99999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999
>
> 3 - Now find the N below.. It's a little more difficult.
>
> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMNM​M
> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM​M
> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM​M
> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM​M
> MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM​M
>
> This is NOT a joke. If you were able to pass these 3 tests, you can cancel your annual visit to your neurologist. Your brain is great and you're far from having a close relationship with Alzheimer..

Originally Posted by dalad

BB, I think something is up, that's all. And it isn"t the first drops of Jet-A out of Trainer. There are some unusual ALPA trip drops on the schedule for next month.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

The problem for those who decided to defend C2012 (which does not need defending) is that management will not keep its yap shut about the efficiencies created through increased utilization. On the other board, the Manager of Crew Planning was quoted pretty clearly that at an 82 hour ALV we are over staffed by 300 pilots..

Originally Posted by slowplay

Do you have any facts or recent history to support your position, or are you playing to your co-workers that are bigger suckers than those dumb rj pilots?

Here's some recent examples:

AFA at USAirways turned down their deal...it got worse. USAPA's governing body turned down their deal, and it got worse. While the final story hasn't been written, APA turned down their deal, and it got worse.

So in your world the "right" answer was to turn down the June 29 deal. You'd now be negotiating in an environment where AMR has 88 seat RJ scope (only using 79 seats at this time) imposed by the court. Nice.

You assert that the B717 were coming anyway, even though Delta management and ALPA told you there was a plan B. Isn't it strange that a Delta competitor "found" about half the number of used amall narrowbodies on the open market just a few short weeks after the TA was ratified. Or how about the capacity math that doesn't work for delivery of all 88 B717s without the deal? You trying to "sucker" somebody?

Originally Posted by hoserpilot

Slow, did you even read what I wrote? Fact, the Skywest pilots were suckered into dealing brad his ace. The planes were already ordered. We fell for the same tactic. Fact, I'm happy with my no vote AND I'm happy that the TA passed. Gee, how can that be? Maybe I'm not that far off in my beliefs with you? Opinion, you can't see that we gave up more than we should have in work rules. Fact, at my seniority im living with the work rule changes. Fact, anyone can cite what you posted above to support their cause. Good for you but some of that happened after the TA passed....I think. Fact, no one really knows what would've happened with a no vote. That's right, you don't know. Nice. Fact, it was delta management that told ALPA they had a plan B. ALPA then forwarded managements negotiating scare tactic on to the pilot group. ALPA actually helped management. Who needs Ford & Harrison as consultants when ALPA does all the work for them. I want to look at the TA and decide for myself. I don't need to be sold a TA. Oh yeah, fact, spirit turned down their deal, it got better.

Originally Posted by tsquare

blah blah blah.. no proof, all conjecture based on hope.

It's getting old.

Originally Posted by dalad

Let's just wait til the block hour plan for next year comes out in October.

Originally Posted by forgot to bid

so if we merge with Hawaiian, how much capacity do we have to cut post merger?

Originally Posted by Sink r8

Good advice. We haven't hit any points yet where the TA rationale has been debunked, nor validated.



I don't think I'm alone in detecting some back-pedalling by SD, and I'm also unconvinced by the arguments that the economy is turning against us more than it was already against us. I don't really see any new factors now that didn't exist in June, which might justify a change in the plan. In particular, I'm unimpressed with the European "surprise" argument. That's a little bit like saying we all agreed the train was derailing, but we weren't sure of how the fourth and fith cars would fare, and everything is different now that they're coming off the rails.

I also suspect that we're seeing a deliberate shift away from direct flights, and into feeding the JV hubs.

But for now, it's too early to draw lasting conclusions about the TA.