johnso29

My kid brother is too busy preparing to hand over his Reserve Unit he is in command of over to the next guy, so that he may take an Active Duty position in DC. He doesn't have time for this forum stuff.

I actually voted NO to the TA(doesn't really matter as there is no way to prove it) because I felt we left W-2 money on the table, & I couldn't stand 70 more large RJs. But none of that matters, because 62% of the voters said YES. The TA became our contract, and it's over.

So my question is, what good does all the griping do? Will the contract suddenly be rescinded and we will go back into Sec 6 because there is a bunch of complaints on APC? We can't go back in time and change it. It won't happen. The ONLY way it will change is for the griping people to suck it up, and run for an ALPA position. Then get elected, and start cleaning house. If you don't like the decisions being made, you'd better change the people making the decisions. Otherwise, all the complaining in the world won't change anything. I can honestly say that I currently do not have the time, resources, energy, or drive to run for a ALPA position. It is a TON of work, and not worth FPL to me.

And I do agree with you Roadkill. The loss of positions stinks. It could effect more then hiring. It could also bite us in another SLI. But, it's over and we can't change it. So we can move on, & focus our energy on things we CAN change. Or we can continue to waste energy whining about it here.

WRT my conversation with Bar, it had nothing to do with the new contract. I like BB. He's a good guy, and I respect his loyalty to union labor and more importantly has actual unity. IMO Bar is one of the rare, true union people left. I simply disagree with Bar that all things negative here at Delta have been caused by NWA. We simply had a discussion. We did so without attacking each other. We can have disagreements and still be friends. Do you sever friendships because you disagree on politics, religion, etc?

We don't need to be divided on here because of the TA. The ratification window is over. The TA is now our contract. Let's work from here on how to improve it. Let's not worry about what we can't change, and focus on what we CAN change. I refuse to be miserable over things I can't control. I can't control the NRT/HND situation. I can't control the price of oil. I can't control the EU Carbon Trading Scheme. I can't control the economy. I simply can't worry about these things.

alfaromeo

So, if the TA was not passed, exactly what would the picture look like now? Pull your two hands away from your face and tell me how the world would be different if the TA had not passed, give specifics. I mean other than the obvious lower pay rates, lower reserve guarantee, less vacation next year, etc.

Bucking Bar

The difference would be marginal because while the Company has an additional work day out of the reserves during the peak summer months, there really isn't going to that much more utilization due to inefficiencies in scheduling. Typically, it is the 10.5 hour three days that are in open time.

While FTB and others have done some excellent analysis, I'm not sure the Company can run that hard and maintain the level of operational integrity they desire.

Anyone who has flown 100 hours a month on reserve knows how unsustainable that is from an operational reliability standpoint. 100 hours of efficient trips is one thing, 100 hours of back of the clock, or high cycle flying to a 9 hour overnight at a moldy hotel room next to the ice machine results in legitimate sick calls.

I think the most they can realistically get out of us is another 7 hours a month more than we've flown in the past. In the past a lot of guys pick up once they see they are over 70 anyway, so I'm just not convinced C2012 had that big a negative impact on the need to hire.

Where I do see a potential impact is the loss of a handful of Captain positions, which spreads the pain around due to the stove pipe effect on our seniority. JMHO.

Bucking Bar

Good post and you are correct. The merger no doubt stabilized Delta and gave our Company a more sound economic footing.

Thanks for promoting the "marketplace of ideas" concept.

RunFast

Anyone else try the LodgeNet App for hotel TV? It's pretty solid, especially on days with multiple football games.

boog123

UAL has been doing 90-100 hours per month for 5+ years.

hoserpilot

Maybe, just maybe, our union would've gone back to the table and tweaked a few things. A no vote was not the doom and gloom end of the world starve for years scenario the union and lumbergs buddies made it out to be. A no vote would've forced the company back to the table. A no vote would mean the once spineless pilots wanted more and were willing to fight for it. A no vote would not delay those shiny 717's. I saw this same thing at skywest when Brad Holt asked me to deal him an ace. The Delta pilots were suckered just like those dumb rj pilots we pick on. We're supposed to be smarter, seasoned veterans....guess not. A yes vote could've meant protracted negotiations. I was willing to take that risk. Now we live with this contract. I'm very happy with my increase in pay and the prospect of hiring created by the delivery of the 717's. I'm disappointed that the yes voters can't seem to grasp that we may have given up too much in work rules.

Thrust Normal

Yep, that's a pretty good app. I especially like the fact it shows the what channels are what. I wish more hotels would update their lodgenet software to be compatible with it.

scambo1

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slowplay

Do you have any facts or recent history to support your position, or are you playing to your co-workers that are bigger suckers than those dumb rj pilots?

Here's some recent examples:

AFA at USAirways turned down their deal...it got worse. USAPA's governing body turned down their deal, and it got worse. While the final story hasn't been written, APA turned down their deal, and it got worse.

So in your world the "right" answer was to turn down the June 29 deal. You'd now be negotiating in an environment where AMR has 88 seat RJ scope (only using 79 seats at this time) imposed by the court. Nice.

You assert that the B717 were coming anyway, even though Delta management and ALPA told you there was a plan B. Isn't it strange that a Delta competitor "found" about half the number of used amall narrowbodies on the open market just a few short weeks after the TA was ratified. Or how about the capacity math that doesn't work for delivery of all 88 B717s without the deal? You trying to "sucker" somebody?