Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-23-2012, 08:31 AM
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I don't have the data to explain what has happened, but my guess would be that it is more efficient to hub Europe on our partners while we generate our EASK's from Africa and what amounts to ER feeder flying from smaller markets.
09-23-2012, 08:37 AM
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Really? Speculative? Review the global economy since 2008 and ask yourself again. It's hardly speculative. You're on here every week taking about the global economy Bar. You know just as well as everyone else. To sit and point the finger for all things bad at NWA is pure BS, and you know it.
My best guess would be an extrapolation of previous trend data and in fact, that is mostly what has occurred. Despite the fact Airlines are the economic equivalent of the proverbial canaries in the coal mine, our merger was hugely stabilizing.
If you want to argue Delta's brief growth spurt between bankruptcy and merger were an aberration above a mean, OK. The data just isn't available outside of an NDA.
09-23-2012, 09:08 AM
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As a Comair guy, I'm a firm believer that Anderson puts profits ahead of employees. That's what a CEO does. But you need to find a balance.
When he sits on the corner of Woolman's desk and proclaims "Our people are our greatest strength" Big Chief Anderson talk with forked tongue.
He says he values Delta pilots, but he values you most when he needs a slot swap pushed through or relief from 50-seat leases.
What I hear Bar saying, is that Anderson wouldn't shed a tear if his next deal put every Delta pilot on the street. Not very Woolmany.
You guys are saying "Delta is the best because Anderson is brilliant"
To which Bar basically says "He may be brilliant, but he sold his grandma for a dollar"
And now you guys are jumping on Bar with "Dude, don't you realize that grandmas are only worth 80 cents these days?"
When he sits on the corner of Woolman's desk and proclaims "Our people are our greatest strength" Big Chief Anderson talk with forked tongue.
He says he values Delta pilots, but he values you most when he needs a slot swap pushed through or relief from 50-seat leases.
What I hear Bar saying, is that Anderson wouldn't shed a tear if his next deal put every Delta pilot on the street. Not very Woolmany.
You guys are saying "Delta is the best because Anderson is brilliant"
To which Bar basically says "He may be brilliant, but he sold his grandma for a dollar"
And now you guys are jumping on Bar with "Dude, don't you realize that grandmas are only worth 80 cents these days?"
Well said. I especially like the reference to the Safety video. Since we're apparently cutting 30 seconds, I'm hoping the part where "he gets to sit at Woolman's desk everyday" gets left on the cutting room floor.
09-23-2012, 09:32 AM
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That's all you've got? Growth in Boston? Is Delta the only airline who has pulled back in BOS? How is our CASM compared to JB?
You also never answered an earlier question, so I'll ask it again. Had Delta remained independent, would you still be on the 767 flying to Amman, Cairo, Berlin, etc? Would DAL still be serving Cape Town, Mumbai non stop, etc?
You also never answered an earlier question, so I'll ask it again. Had Delta remained independent, would you still be on the 767 flying to Amman, Cairo, Berlin, etc? Would DAL still be serving Cape Town, Mumbai non stop, etc?
09-23-2012, 09:51 AM
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09-23-2012, 09:53 AM
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Bar,
It felt like the up-beat post I submitted, received a similar response from you... i.e., attacking me as an "I got mine" kind of guy (which couldn't be further from the truth). Maybe I misunderstood your post.
It felt like the up-beat post I submitted, received a similar response from you... i.e., attacking me as an "I got mine" kind of guy (which couldn't be further from the truth). Maybe I misunderstood your post.
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09-23-2012, 10:01 AM
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Hey, when you got nothing ... go with the personal attack.
Bar,
It felt like the up-beat post I submitted, received a similar response from you... i.e., attacking me as an "I got mine" kind of guy (which couldn't be further from the truth). Maybe I misunderstood your post.
Bar,
It felt like the up-beat post I submitted, received a similar response from you... i.e., attacking me as an "I got mine" kind of guy (which couldn't be further from the truth). Maybe I misunderstood your post.
It appears as though there is going to be at least one more round of displacements from 767 Domestic and the 320 Right Seat. The angst goes up in the fall as these things are announced every year. Everyone was hoping for a little forward movement, which more than anything else would come from new hires staffing the Douglas equipment coming on property and everyone remaining status quo, or perhaps moving up a bit.
While we are all happy to see more mainline jets, displacements to staff them are not met with a lot of cheering from the junior folk.
Contemplating tuning my 12 string to open C and giving Slowplay a break for a little while.
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09-23-2012, 10:23 AM
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I have two friends who are gazillion milers ... HVCs. They HATE this part of the video. I've told them to go to the website and comment about it.
09-23-2012, 11:03 AM
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Well, I sure caught hell for it. Fair enough.
It appears as though there is going to be at least one more round of displacements from 767 Domestic and the 320 Right Seat. The angst goes up in the fall as these things are announced every year. Everyone was hoping for a little forward movement, which more than anything else would come from new hires staffing the Douglas equipment coming on property and everyone remaining status quo, or perhaps moving up a bit.
While we are all happy to see more mainline jets, displacements to staff them are not met with a lot of cheering from the junior folk.
Contemplating tuning my 12 string to open C and giving Slowplay a break for a little while.
It appears as though there is going to be at least one more round of displacements from 767 Domestic and the 320 Right Seat. The angst goes up in the fall as these things are announced every year. Everyone was hoping for a little forward movement, which more than anything else would come from new hires staffing the Douglas equipment coming on property and everyone remaining status quo, or perhaps moving up a bit.
While we are all happy to see more mainline jets, displacements to staff them are not met with a lot of cheering from the junior folk.
Contemplating tuning my 12 string to open C and giving Slowplay a break for a little while.
Denny
09-23-2012, 11:13 AM
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No hiring until late 2013 (thanks yes voters). Do you all remember when we were voting on the contract and a memo came out saying if we voted this in we may need to hire by the end of this year? I can't believe so many people fell for that.
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