Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-24-2009, 05:39 AM
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I have had a lot of pilots that fly there tell me that the mods were done. But us line guys do not have the leverage to do anything about it. Our union wants proof, so any of your SA guys that fly these aircraft that are moded take a picture of the Moded weights placard WITH the ship number in the photo and any other documentation that you can see, and PM me. I will give you a few e-mail addresses to send it to.
No I am not joking, this is the only way we will have "proof" that these unmoded jets were modified. It is only a Service Bulletin to make these mods. They probably need a strengthening plate at best on the wing spar, maybe. It might just be a tire pressure increase, but with out proof, there will be no action on a Contract violation.
No I am not joking, this is the only way we will have "proof" that these unmoded jets were modified. It is only a Service Bulletin to make these mods. They probably need a strengthening plate at best on the wing spar, maybe. It might just be a tire pressure increase, but with out proof, there will be no action on a Contract violation.
07-24-2009, 05:40 AM
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The jumpseater had been at Compass for about 3 years. He said a mod was done and they have placards installed in the aircraft now. Now I don't know much about the 170's 175's etc....so take it with a grain of salt. But again...he was Compass...a straight shooter and he DID say a mod was done. Now what kinds of mods can 170's get?
So really what we are talking about is whether the Shuttle America -175's (E-170-200LR) have been modified to to match the Compass -175's (E-170-200AR).
They both operate the exact same model of the airframe.
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07-24-2009, 05:53 AM
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Regarding how easy it is to change a LR to AR
In May 2007 Embraer said it would introduce AR versions of both the E-170 and E-175, and revealed Northwest Airlines as the launch customer for the E-175AR variant.
The US major's Compass Airlines subsidiary initially operated only E-175LRs, but these were delivered with some structural modifications to enable an upgrade to the E-175AR.
"Northwest received the last three aircraft [of a 36-strong order] in the certified AR version," says Kern.
"As Northwest has all aircraft in the proper structural configuration, the upgrade shall consist only in the incorporation of a formal service bulletin increasing the design weights and the payload-range capability of the airplanes."
The US major's Compass Airlines subsidiary initially operated only E-175LRs, but these were delivered with some structural modifications to enable an upgrade to the E-175AR.
"Northwest received the last three aircraft [of a 36-strong order] in the certified AR version," says Kern.
"As Northwest has all aircraft in the proper structural configuration, the upgrade shall consist only in the incorporation of a formal service bulletin increasing the design weights and the payload-range capability of the airplanes."
07-24-2009, 05:57 AM
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We are not talking about Compass jets, we are talking about the Shuttle America jets.
Also, most airframes that come off the floor already have these mods in place so the uptick in weight is only a SB.
Also, most airframes that come off the floor already have these mods in place so the uptick in weight is only a SB.
07-24-2009, 06:03 AM
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"So really what we are talking about is whether the Shuttle America -175's (E-170-200LR) have been modified to to match the Compass -175's (E-170-200AR)."
From what I can tell Shuttle America is operating 16-17 of these LR's that could have easily BEEN changed or can easily BE changed to AR's.
Sounds like about 160 new pilots for Compass if this goes down.
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07-24-2009, 06:11 AM
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That is what I am talking about. A few of us have been told by everyone from a Captain to one of their Chief Pilots that the mods were done, but they just placarded the weights to the ones that complied. The issue is getting someone with power (DALPA) to go and check this out in IND.
07-24-2009, 06:31 AM
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Amd#2 to DAL. Shuttle America agreement
Interesting. So officially Shuttle America's new 175's destined specifically for use in DAL's operation were taken delivery as -175ARs (which matches what NW had for Compass).
This amendment was made after the merger was well underway. From what I can tell all of the -175's delivered to be used for USAirways by Republic's other companies where done so under the designation -175LR.
Just show's how long some of these things or at least the option to do some of these things have been in the works if this is all true.
SEC Info - Republic Airways Holdings Inc - 10-Q - For 11/2/07 - EX-10.45(B)
WHEREAS, Delta, Shuttle America and Republic are parties to the Agreement;
WHEREAS, the Agreement currently provides for the Operator to operate sixteen (16) Embraer ERJ 170 aircraft (the “ERJ 170 Aircraft”) as a Delta Connection Carrier; and
WHEREAS, the parties desire to amend the Agreement to replace the ERJ 170 Aircraft with sixteen (16) new ERJ 175AR aircraft.
NOW, THEREFORE, for and in consideration of the mutual undertakings set forth herein and other good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which are hereby acknowledged, Delta, Operator and Republic, intending to be legally bound, hereby agree as follows:
1.
Defined Terms. All capitalized terms used, but not defined, herein shall have the meaning ascribed to such terms in the Agreement.
2.
Section 1(A) of the Agreement is hereby amended by deleting the first sentence of such section in its entirety and replacing it with the following:
Operator hereby appoints Delta as its agent to publish all fares, schedules and related information under Delta’s two letter flight designator code in city pairs specified by Delta on the sixteen (16), including one (1) spare, Embraer ERJ 175AR aircraft set forth on Exhibit A attached hereto (the “ERJ 175 Aircraft”) and any other aircraft subsequently agreed by the parties to be operated by Operator (together with the ERJ 175 Aircraft, collectively, the “Aircraft”), and Delta hereby accepts such appointment.
This amendment was made after the merger was well underway. From what I can tell all of the -175's delivered to be used for USAirways by Republic's other companies where done so under the designation -175LR.
Just show's how long some of these things or at least the option to do some of these things have been in the works if this is all true.
SEC Info - Republic Airways Holdings Inc - 10-Q - For 11/2/07 - EX-10.45(B)
WHEREAS, Delta, Shuttle America and Republic are parties to the Agreement;
WHEREAS, the Agreement currently provides for the Operator to operate sixteen (16) Embraer ERJ 170 aircraft (the “ERJ 170 Aircraft”) as a Delta Connection Carrier; and
WHEREAS, the parties desire to amend the Agreement to replace the ERJ 170 Aircraft with sixteen (16) new ERJ 175AR aircraft.
NOW, THEREFORE, for and in consideration of the mutual undertakings set forth herein and other good and valuable consideration, the receipt and sufficiency of which are hereby acknowledged, Delta, Operator and Republic, intending to be legally bound, hereby agree as follows:
1.
Defined Terms. All capitalized terms used, but not defined, herein shall have the meaning ascribed to such terms in the Agreement.
2.
Section 1(A) of the Agreement is hereby amended by deleting the first sentence of such section in its entirety and replacing it with the following:
Operator hereby appoints Delta as its agent to publish all fares, schedules and related information under Delta’s two letter flight designator code in city pairs specified by Delta on the sixteen (16), including one (1) spare, Embraer ERJ 175AR aircraft set forth on Exhibit A attached hereto (the “ERJ 175 Aircraft”) and any other aircraft subsequently agreed by the parties to be operated by Operator (together with the ERJ 175 Aircraft, collectively, the “Aircraft”), and Delta hereby accepts such appointment.
07-24-2009, 07:47 AM
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In other news:
Delta is planning on implementing a Future Operations Communications Information System (FOCIS)
According to FlightGlobal, Vendors were invited this month for planned use of Aircell Internet for on-board server with EFB/COMM, etc. functionality.
Cheers
George
From Mary Kirby's Blog (RunwayGirl):
Delta is planning on implementing a Future Operations Communications Information System (FOCIS)
According to FlightGlobal, Vendors were invited this month for planned use of Aircell Internet for on-board server with EFB/COMM, etc. functionality.
Cheers
George
From Mary Kirby's Blog (RunwayGirl):
Subject: Vendors' Days at Delta
To: Selected Vendors
Hi, As many of you know, Delta Air Lines is in the process of building a business case for developing an information system to be incorporated into our airline operations. This project is entitled the FOCIS Initiative. FOCIS stands for Future Operations Communications Information System. This information system will be used across operational divisions like flight operations, ramp operations, in-flight services, dispatchers, and maintenance personnel. A key component to this system will be an aircraft PC or what you probably refer to as an Electrical Flight Bag (EFB). I try and avoid the term EFB because the term leaves the impression that this evolving technology is all about removing the pilot flight bag kit. That is not the primary emphasis of the business case or this information system. Delta is looking beyond the immediate desires of the cockpit. Delta is looking at this system development with a long term point of view. So with this little background in mind, we would like to extend an invitation to your company to attend a two-day vendors' exhibit event at Delta World Headquarters in Atlanta on Jul 27 - 28, 2009.
We will be setting up a room where all the vendors can set up their displays and marketing material and throughout the two days various Delta stakeholders will be able to visit and ask questions. In addition, a special committee will be setup to have one-on-one presentations by each of the vendors throughout the two days. Basically, each presenter will have one hour, followed by a half hour for Q&A. We also plan on making a presentation on our upcoming RFI / RFP in support of the business case. More details will be coming, but the intent of this email was for your planning purposes.
<snip>...list of daily agenda June 27-28...<snip>
Could you please let me know that your company plans on participating and how many you think will be involved? I will be sending out more information in a couple of weeks.
Anyhow, thank you for your support of Delta's effort and look forward to hearing from you.
FOCIS Initiative
Delta Air Lines, Inc.
To: Selected Vendors
Hi, As many of you know, Delta Air Lines is in the process of building a business case for developing an information system to be incorporated into our airline operations. This project is entitled the FOCIS Initiative. FOCIS stands for Future Operations Communications Information System. This information system will be used across operational divisions like flight operations, ramp operations, in-flight services, dispatchers, and maintenance personnel. A key component to this system will be an aircraft PC or what you probably refer to as an Electrical Flight Bag (EFB). I try and avoid the term EFB because the term leaves the impression that this evolving technology is all about removing the pilot flight bag kit. That is not the primary emphasis of the business case or this information system. Delta is looking beyond the immediate desires of the cockpit. Delta is looking at this system development with a long term point of view. So with this little background in mind, we would like to extend an invitation to your company to attend a two-day vendors' exhibit event at Delta World Headquarters in Atlanta on Jul 27 - 28, 2009.
We will be setting up a room where all the vendors can set up their displays and marketing material and throughout the two days various Delta stakeholders will be able to visit and ask questions. In addition, a special committee will be setup to have one-on-one presentations by each of the vendors throughout the two days. Basically, each presenter will have one hour, followed by a half hour for Q&A. We also plan on making a presentation on our upcoming RFI / RFP in support of the business case. More details will be coming, but the intent of this email was for your planning purposes.
<snip>...list of daily agenda June 27-28...<snip>
Could you please let me know that your company plans on participating and how many you think will be involved? I will be sending out more information in a couple of weeks.
Anyhow, thank you for your support of Delta's effort and look forward to hearing from you.
FOCIS Initiative
Delta Air Lines, Inc.
07-24-2009, 08:07 AM
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We wear one uniform; we work under one collective bargaining agreement; we operate
under a single seniority list; and at the corporate level, procedures and policies are
blending as Delta continues its pursuit of a single operating certificate.
under a single seniority list; and at the corporate level, procedures and policies are
blending as Delta continues its pursuit of a single operating certificate.
When did DAL-N move over to DAL-S rigs?
Just kidding, but LM is again not accurate and the business of the MEC remains less than transparent to the average line pilot.
07-24-2009, 08:13 AM
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It has been said the dc9-50's are going to get wifi now. Most of them have been painted and some have already received the leather seats so it appears the rumors of them sticking around a while are true. They are also supposedly looking into overhauling the cockpits of them to match the -88s so eveyone can fly them. It would definitly be cheaper than buying new planes. We'll see
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