Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-17-2012, 11:28 AM
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Here is the situation the company was in:
1) they had too many of these that they did not want...
2) they had jets they wanted but couldn't have because of us...
3) and they had these unwanted jets drop in their lap by a major competitor who never wanted them and were so desperate to get rid of them that they'd pay us to take them...
Ya'll all agree on those fundamentals?
Now you could believe that in order to afford the 717 we had to get rid of CRJ-200s but in order to do that we had to convince Bombardier to take them back and the only way to do that was to take CRJ-900s in exchange. That's fine. I hope you're right.
Or,
Like me, you sadly believe the company decided (smartly) to arouse us with 717s (all pure growth) in order to get us to swallow something we don't like (allowing more jumbo RJs). Toss in the idea of shrinking DCI to raise arousal, but, it seems that was happening without the TA anyways.
It's, um... unfortunately... a lot like this... How Female Arousal Overrides Their Disgust During Sex: Study
And we did it.
So all we have now is the hope that the new jumbo RJs that we ceded to the company come in exchange for mainline airframe growth even though that's no longer required. And sure those of us who said no to the TA could shut up and move on and forget about what happened with scope, but, some of us feel that we need to continue to raise awareness that the precedence and safeguards we set are insufficient if not unfavorable to us and we should not agree to anything like it again.
1) they had too many of these that they did not want...
2) they had jets they wanted but couldn't have because of us...
3) and they had these unwanted jets drop in their lap by a major competitor who never wanted them and were so desperate to get rid of them that they'd pay us to take them...
Ya'll all agree on those fundamentals?
Now you could believe that in order to afford the 717 we had to get rid of CRJ-200s but in order to do that we had to convince Bombardier to take them back and the only way to do that was to take CRJ-900s in exchange. That's fine. I hope you're right.
Or,
Like me, you sadly believe the company decided (smartly) to arouse us with 717s (all pure growth) in order to get us to swallow something we don't like (allowing more jumbo RJs). Toss in the idea of shrinking DCI to raise arousal, but, it seems that was happening without the TA anyways.
It's, um... unfortunately... a lot like this... How Female Arousal Overrides Their Disgust During Sex: Study
And we did it.
So all we have now is the hope that the new jumbo RJs that we ceded to the company come in exchange for mainline airframe growth even though that's no longer required. And sure those of us who said no to the TA could shut up and move on and forget about what happened with scope, but, some of us feel that we need to continue to raise awareness that the precedence and safeguards we set are insufficient if not unfavorable to us and we should not agree to anything like it again.
That's my two cents.
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09-17-2012, 11:28 AM
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I think if we needed pilots for summer 2013 flying we'd have had announcements regarding the hiring window opening. Usually we don't need to hire for the fall, but who knows.
Also I thought we usually had the next summer block hour plan by this point in time. What's the delay?
Also I thought we usually had the next summer block hour plan by this point in time. What's the delay?
The block hour plan for next summer will come out in october as usual.
09-17-2012, 12:46 PM
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I did recently get a memo in regards to applying to be the new lead new hire mentor, but that has more to do with the current lead becoming a DC-9 captain. It did peak my interest in regard to hiring.
The block hour plan for next summer will come out in october as usual.
The block hour plan for next summer will come out in october as usual.
09-17-2012, 12:47 PM
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09-17-2012, 01:04 PM
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I was very surprised to hear that Istanbul has been dropped. SD said the yields are too low despite high load factors. We recently up gauged the service and have served the market for 20 years. The Turkish economy is a bright spot in Europe. It would have been more accurate to say that Turkish Air chased us out with their recent expansion. Just like Air Berlin did.
We have tried over and over to make Berlin work. There have been at least 3 different attempts over the last 20 years to fly it nonstop. In addition we tried one stops with another city such as Warsaw and could not make it work. The last non stop attempt was subsidized by Berlin. When that stopped so did the route. There was virtually no business travel to support the flight.
09-17-2012, 01:17 PM
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I don't recall ever stating we would hire this year. It is however still being considered. I read SD's memo. I guess you are not aware he is the VP of flight ops. He has his agenda. The memo said we might hire depending on about five varibles. I am really shocked so many on here have not read so much of what they post about.
09-17-2012, 01:24 PM
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I don't recall ever stating we would hire this year. It is however still being considered. I read SD's memo. I guess you are not aware he is the VP of flight ops. He has his agenda. The memo said we might hire depending on about five varibles. I am really shocked so many on here have not read so much of what they post about.
09-17-2012, 01:29 PM
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09-17-2012, 01:31 PM
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Like me, you sadly believe the company decided (smartly) to arouse us with 717s (all pure growth) in order to get us to swallow something we don't like (allowing more jumbo RJs). Toss in the idea of shrinking DCI to raise arousal, but, it seems that was happening without the TA anyways.
It's, um... unfortunately... a lot like this... How Female Arousal Overrides Their Disgust During Sex: Study
And we did it.
So all we have now is the hope that the new jumbo RJs that we ceded to the company come in exchange for mainline airframe growth even though that's no longer required. And sure those of us who said no to the TA could shut up and move on and forget about what happened with scope, but, some of us feel that we need to continue to raise awareness that the precedence and safeguards we set are insufficient if not unfavorable to us and we should not agree to anything like it again. [/center]
That's my two cents.
It's, um... unfortunately... a lot like this... How Female Arousal Overrides Their Disgust During Sex: Study
And we did it.
So all we have now is the hope that the new jumbo RJs that we ceded to the company come in exchange for mainline airframe growth even though that's no longer required. And sure those of us who said no to the TA could shut up and move on and forget about what happened with scope, but, some of us feel that we need to continue to raise awareness that the precedence and safeguards we set are insufficient if not unfavorable to us and we should not agree to anything like it again. [/center]
That's my two cents.
- A raise in a lousy economic environment
- Improvements in reserve pay
- Returning flying to mainline
- Slightly improved JV language
For an 07-08 Delta hire, the new Delta is being an actor in a zombie movie that did well at the box office. We'll have a job, but we will be running for our lives the whole time. We just hope the sequel doesn't begin with reserve in a place where it snows all the time. Every one knows the action scenes are worse when it is cold outside.
09-17-2012, 01:38 PM
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