Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-16-2012, 03:33 AM
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The last time DAL asked us to lobby for them, they had this glowing and rosey picture of more slots and jobs for mainline, most on here were pontificating about the possiblity of hiring....for LGA slots, then we we got the deal done....90% of the slots went to RJ's. Who's to say that if we lobby for them again and we get/retain the HND slot...we don't have a codeshare partner fly the route, or sign a new deal with yet another codeshare/outsourcing partner and have the cheaper labor fly it??? Cathay, Evergreen, KAL...ect? I get paid to fly airplanes, they get paid to run the airline. It's THIER job to get the flying, not mine. Lucy has moved the football one too many times for Charlie to fall for it again. If it's in MY interest, then Alpa-Pac can lobby for us...I already pay them too.
This is a different animal - the prosperity of our immediate futures is tied to Asia, and HND is in the cross hairs at the moment. Getting the SEA-HND slot won't nessicarily net us jobs, but losing it might cost us jobs, or slow down growth at the least. If the Japanese get away with isolating US flag carriers from HND while they use it as a primary O&D international port, the remaining beach and transfer traffic out of NRT will result in a huge pullback from Japan. Eventual 787 overflights will still not recapture the O&D we get with Fifth Freedom rights.
If we don't get access to HND and the international O&D I would anticipate furloughs, stagnation, and hiring pushed back for years until retirements eat up the difference.
09-16-2012, 03:37 AM
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Most of the hiring and growth prognostications with LGA were generated by the MEC, Lee Moak in particular.
This is a different animal - the prosperity of our immediate futures is tied to Asia, and HND is in the cross hairs at the moment. Getting the SEA-HND slot won't nessicarily net us jobs, but losing it might cost us jobs, or slow down growth at the least. If the Japanese get away with isolating US flag carriers from HND while they use it as a primary O&D international port, the remaining beach and transfer traffic out of NRT will result in a huge pullback from Japan. Eventual 787 overflights will still not recapture the O&D we get with Fifth Freedom rights.
If we don't get access to HND and the international O&D I would anticipate furloughs, stagnation, and hiring pushed back for years until retirements eat up the difference.
This is a different animal - the prosperity of our immediate futures is tied to Asia, and HND is in the cross hairs at the moment. Getting the SEA-HND slot won't nessicarily net us jobs, but losing it might cost us jobs, or slow down growth at the least. If the Japanese get away with isolating US flag carriers from HND while they use it as a primary O&D international port, the remaining beach and transfer traffic out of NRT will result in a huge pullback from Japan. Eventual 787 overflights will still not recapture the O&D we get with Fifth Freedom rights.
If we don't get access to HND and the international O&D I would anticipate furloughs, stagnation, and hiring pushed back for years until retirements eat up the difference.
09-16-2012, 04:11 AM
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The last time DAL asked us to lobby for them, they had this glowing and rosey picture of more slots and jobs for mainline, most on here were pontificating about the possiblity of hiring....for LGA slots, then we we got the deal done....90% of the slots went to RJ's. Who's to say that if we lobby for them again and we get/retain the HND slot...we don't have a codeshare partner fly the route, or sign a new deal with yet another codeshare/outsourcing partner and have the cheaper labor fly it??? Cathay, Evergreen, KAL...ect? I get paid to fly airplanes, they get paid to run the airline. It's THIER job to get the flying, not mine. Lucy has moved the football one too many times for Charlie to fall for it again. If it's in MY interest, then Alpa-Pac can lobby for us...I already pay them too.
My career is essentially set in stone now. Delta will get me to retirement so I really have no big stake in future expansion. I doubt however you can say the same. You might want to think a bit about your future.
09-16-2012, 04:12 AM
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Totally agree with you.
Capex is very easy, the letter is already composed, just submit your info and send. That's it.
This is a big deal for us, we all need to respond. Not to mention that American is pushing for this as well.
09-16-2012, 04:29 AM
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09-16-2012, 05:11 AM
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So, you work for Delta but you are not Delta. They vs. you. That's pretty telling. Support the company or don't. Your choice. I choose to be Delta and proudly am an employee. I get paid to fly airplanes also...Delta pays me. I'm assuming Delta pays you and you wear your Delta uniform.
And it's "their" not "their."
And it's "their" not "their."
I think you meant it's "their" not "thier".
09-16-2012, 05:41 AM
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Most of the hiring and growth prognostications with LGA were generated by the MEC, Lee Moak in particular.
This is a different animal - the prosperity of our immediate futures is tied to Asia, and HND is in the cross hairs at the moment. Getting the SEA-HND slot won't nessicarily net us jobs, but losing it might cost us jobs, or slow down growth at the least. If the Japanese get away with isolating US flag carriers from HND while they use it as a primary O&D international port, the remaining beach and transfer traffic out of NRT will result in a huge pullback from Japan. Eventual 787 overflights will still not recapture the O&D we get with Fifth Freedom rights.
If we don't get access to HND and the international O&D I would anticipate furloughs, stagnation, and hiring pushed back for years until retirements eat up the difference.
This is a different animal - the prosperity of our immediate futures is tied to Asia, and HND is in the cross hairs at the moment. Getting the SEA-HND slot won't nessicarily net us jobs, but losing it might cost us jobs, or slow down growth at the least. If the Japanese get away with isolating US flag carriers from HND while they use it as a primary O&D international port, the remaining beach and transfer traffic out of NRT will result in a huge pullback from Japan. Eventual 787 overflights will still not recapture the O&D we get with Fifth Freedom rights.
If we don't get access to HND and the international O&D I would anticipate furloughs, stagnation, and hiring pushed back for years until retirements eat up the difference.
09-16-2012, 06:22 AM
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Can someone outside of DAL submit a letter?
09-16-2012, 06:30 AM
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09-16-2012, 06:39 AM
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