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Old 09-11-2012, 10:36 AM
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Anyone know how to tell if a 744 has been through the mod line and has the lie-flat seats yet?

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Go to DELTANET then MY DELTA FLEET select 747 scroll down to 747 NEWS and open Whale Tales - 747 Fleet Newsletter - July 2012 go to page 7. 100% by Nov
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:37 AM
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SC assignments in SLC on the 320 have been very predictable since the new system was implemented. Almost always 4 SC assignments and 95% of the time they go to those who have the most days of availability. Been getting 3-4 SC assignemnts per month through the summer and have only been called out on 1 the last 3 months.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:48 AM
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This deal of putting a ton on SC started this summer about a week prior the big vote. It was always about 7-8 guys on SC and then one day it was 14-18. No bad WX (ATL88B). I called ALPA. At first they didn't believe me. Look into and was told can and it cuts down on Green Slips ( this is why they love the 2 day and 1 day SC. Next month the target SC is 14. Changed overnight and was told it was a company saving on Green Slips. All ALPA can say its legal.
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:55 AM
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[QUOTE=Bucking Bar;1259137]OK, an un-Dude opinion here, but ... I think Road Kill has a point.

Bankruptcy is a legal process by which the Company goes about screwing creditors, including employees, out of what it owes them. While in bankruptcy, Delta still somehow found the money to fund speaking engagement(s) for the author of "Secrets of a Gay Marine Porn Star" and "Youth Pride." Leo and Michelle were paid well in excess of what I will earn during my entire career with hopefully a little more than 20 years to go. There was money for pet causes and million, no, make that Billions, went out the door on poorly considered outsourcing decisions and "best friend" consulting services.

I think that is the point... legal does not always mean ethical or moral. Bankruptcy is one of the few things originally (and intentionally) given to Congress to make laws on. Bankruptcy back then meant what we call "chapter 7", i.e. liquidation. It was intended to give the creditors around the new union something of what was left.

Corporations have used their influence to now be allowed to "restructure." Also known as a business tool to screw your employees and creditors. Think about it... you have a private contract and one side uses the government to break that contract. Nothing ethical or moral about that!
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Old 09-11-2012, 10:58 AM
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Heck, I got a 1 day SC going into a golden day. So I'm done at 1200. My SC started at 0900. I got a 2 hr commute to show at 11 and done by 1200.
Just commuted home from a trip and get this SC assignment at 1600.
Nothing in open time and good coverage and no WX.
They do it b/c they can. We need rules that protect us from this.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Express pilot
Heck, I got a 1 day SC going into a golden day. So I'm done at 1200. My SC started at 0900. I got a 2 hr commute to show at 11 and done by 1200.
Just commuted home from a trip and get this SC assignment at 1600.
Nothing in open time and good coverage and no WX.
They do it b/c they can. We need rules that protect us from this.
I'm repeating myself, but I got a 1-day SC into a Golden Day, 0500-1200. Got a 1145 sign-in, trip ended at 2030 that night. Commuted home about 2 in the afternoon on my Golden Day because all the flights were full and I happened to book the jumpseat for that flight.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
SC assignments in SLC on the 320 have been very predictable since the new system was implemented. Almost always 4 SC assignments and 95% of the time they go to those who have the most days of availability. Been getting 3-4 SC assignemnts per month through the summer and have only been called out on 1 the last 3 months.
The most predictable part of SC is that they will ALYAYS give it to you on your first day back from days off. I guess they want to shiv anyone who doesn't live in base. Fortunately I live in base but I feel for those who don't.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Back in the stone ages, when we had bid sheets and a slightly different reserve system, your first day on call was always a short call day. I liked it because you could plan around it, you knew you were definately going to be on SC those days.

In addition to those SC days, they could put you on SC a few more per month, up to 6 total. If you were a commuter, you would call them ahead and tell them you were going to be in base for that first day, and ask them to put you on SC for the following day, so you wouldn't have to make too many trips to base.

I haven't had to sit reserve under the PBS system, but what do you guys think about going back to that 'first day on call is always SC' type system?

Or perhaps being able to bid all your SC days, just like bidding X days?
What we have now is very similar to what you described. I like that we can put our preference in for what SCs we would like if we have to have SC; and that if we want SC we can ask for it. As has been mentioned, what really takes away from these improvements is that the schedulers have taken a new tactic of using almost all available pilots for SC once they've assigned open time trips out for the next day. So even when you've done 3 SCs (in bucket 2 for the SC buckets), and have done enough flying to be in the higher RAW bucket than anyone else, and are senior to everyone else you can still expect to get assigned SC because you have a pulse. Just having one day of availability remaining doesn't necessarily mean you're going to escape the long line of SC pilots. What sucks even more, IMHO, is when you've maxed your SCs, and you're in the highest bucket, just finished 4 days of flying and because you can't be assigned SC they give you a trip with 13 hrs notice while a pilot with the same availability is assigned to sit his second SC, and has done less than half the flying you have and is considered untouchable because he's a SC asset for the following day. Crazy system. The schedulers, at least in ATL M88 B, have in effect, negated the benefits of the new reserve system by maxing out SCs. And going to 7 SCs will further undermine it.
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Old 09-11-2012, 11:47 AM
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I remember. We homeschool and just spent the last hour on 9-11. No dry eyes.
Changed our lives, our kids' lives and our industry forever.
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Old 09-11-2012, 12:24 PM
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I think the bottom line on SC's is exactly as you guys suggested: they give you a bunch, because they can. And they're glad they can, because they prefer it. A SC Reserve is more available and more useful to the company. This is particularly true in an international category, with the [deleted] 24-hour SC.

If the contract allows X SC's a month, expect to sit that number. Anything less than that number is probably some sort of a slip-up, or a conservative guess: they have to spread SC's throughout the month, so they don't want to burn them needlessly. So they end up a little under. That's it. Anything less than the max number of SC per month falls under the category of wishful thinking, because any number less than the max means the company is failing to maximize their contractually alloweable number of SC.

If you consider that SC are a company benefit under the contract, you just need to accept the fact they're going to try to tap that (and you). And the best way to make sure you're even more useful to them, is to start with a SC on day one.

I think there are a lot of things that can still be improved on Reserve, including daily credit equality, but I'm under no illusion about the program: it's designed to have me 1) flying, or 2) ready to fly on SC, except when on X-days.

Another point to consider: it's going to get worse. With up to 2 additional days off per month in the low season, people will get to stay home two days, but that distributes the flying across fewer pilots that are not off. That makes it even more likely that one will sit on SC and/or fly. And then, when SC goes from 24 hours to 12, we will get even more. Adding a 7th day of SC is not an academic consideration: We will sit an extra day on SC.

If we consider that the company sees a LC the way they see credit (rig) time, then we understand how SC works. Their purpose is to reduce the number of times you're hanging out on LC, and zero LC is their holy grail.

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