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Old 09-08-2012, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
The museum of natural history is free if you have a military ID (or it used to be), the dinosaur exhibit is easily the best I've ever seen. There is also a zoo straight across central park from the museum.
The museum also includes the excellent Hayden Planetarium, directed by Dr. Neil Tyson:

Home | Hayden Planetarium
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
College fb Saturday! Who is embry riddle playing?
Lets go Falcons! Hanging with Michigan at the half.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Pick your own leaders? Well our state and federal reps are elected by the people. Is that not good enough for you? Or you could go the USSR route.
Hyperbole?

You be the judge.......
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:18 PM
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PIREP:

I gotta hand it to the Hotel Committee, nice new hotel in Minny.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
Hyperbole?

You be the judge.......
Didn't Alabama eradicate the hyperbole weevil?

Way to go Clem(p)son. 61 yd field goal.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:25 PM
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Still would like an answer on why not to allow the pilots to vote in the MEC Chair?
We covered this back when you'd pledged allegiance to DPA...

I provided an example of a dysfunctional union structure, and that is APA. They have member election of their national officers and domicile election of their Locals which make up the APA Board of Directors. As such, the National Officers have a very limited check/balance with their Board.

When Lloyd Hill was elected APA president he was pushing for a 52% payraise. His opponent wanted 35%. The election became over who could pander the most. APA pilots elected Hill and they got nothing. The APA Board had limited power to correct Hill's direction because he was popularly elected. They have had a history of National/Board dysfunction due to this structure.

Our structure is different. The MEC Chair works for the MEC (the elected LEC officers). He is wholly accountable to them, so he has to keep at a minimum both a senatorial and roll call majority of the group "pleased" with his performance. His "power" is that of chief executive of the MEC; iow he executes the collective will of the body. The MEC is ultimately responsible and accountable for his performance.

I'm sure you'll point to the US Government as an example of popular election, but in my view that's wholly different. First, I don't think anybody would say the current dysfunction between Congress and the Executive Branch is the optimum way to do the monetary/business portion of the people's business. Also, the US Government is responsible for substantially all the people's business. As such, they can print money, enter into contracts, make war, etc. The scope of our contract and MEC Chairman is far less.

You've opined on the election of the MEC Chair. I believe it to be a bad move and have shown some concrete examples. Why do you think it's a good move?
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
No kidding. I'm not opposed or in favor of an idea like that, it would depend on the reasons.

I am not sure how a representational election versus a general election is better or worse for the membership. I'm all for improving how the union functions, but I'm not in favor of change just for the sake of change.
You mean have a "Popular Vote" vs. a "Reprsentational Vote"?

Let's ask President Gore what he thinks about that...
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Jesse
Pick your own leaders? Well our state and federal reps are elected by the people. Is that not good enough for you? Or you could go the USSR route.
A Jesse post without underboob? What a waste.

See my reply to FtB...

Oh, how's that popularly elected Federal Deficit doing? Partisanship and pandering a problem? The US Government is your model of business efficiency? Can you show me a business in which the shareowners elect the Board, CEO, and management team?

We're not talking about the power to make war, print money or change what is defined as "human rights." We're talking about doing the business (read economics) of the Delta pilots. Our governance structure supports that better than any of the alternatives (APA direct election/Teamster's Business agent, etc.) that I've seen.
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:31 PM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
Why don't you include 80clamp and ftb in that tirade?
Outstanding question....
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Old 09-08-2012, 01:32 PM
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Originally Posted by tomgoodman
The museum also includes the excellent Hayden Planetarium, directed by Dr. Neil Tyson:
so nice to look at...



....oh you meant the other Hayden...
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