acl65pilot

I do not disagree that a merger or full acquisition would require a JPWA to solidify the new SLI. Its the smaller one offs that may not see that. Just depends on what comes our way.

FrankCobretti

I'd wager it'll close in about twenty years or so.

Unless I'm wrong, in which case it could be a lot sooner.

Or later.

76drvr

You might be right, if facts don't matter here.

johnso29

No, you are incorrect. Large RJs are defined as 51-76 seats. Large RJs were LIMITED to 255 airframes. So I'll type this again so you can let it sink in.

Large RJ was defined as a jet configured with 51-76 seats and a MGTOW of 86,000 lbs. The Compass jets were grandfathered in with a MGTOW of 89,000 lbs. Under the latest fleet count 153 of the 255 LARGE RJ LIMIT(That's ANY RJ with 51-76 seats) were permitted to be 76 seaters.

Where do you think the 102 came from. 255-153=102.

The only thing that was unlimited was jets under 51 and turbo props. I'll find the previous language and post it for you.

76drvr

I know the previous language. Like I said, the company had access to unli
Ited 70-seat aircraft.

Just glad to see scope recapture with a grsater share of Delta flying for the mainline.

slowplay

Yeah, it's a representative association that conducts the business of the Delta pilots. You know, things like contract value, pay, benefits, scope, etc. Minor business items like that.

I note that you chose to ignore APA and didn't provide any examples of FtB's idea in a successful operation.

acl65pilot

Johnso, actually he is correct. He is stating aircraft, not jets. Look at the Live Contract TA. Jet was stricken, and aircraft was added. Its a small change, but limits all airframes within the seat certification range, not just jets.

He is stating this quid was 70 more 76 seat jets, to limit all 70 seat aircraft to 102, not just jets. Read what he's writing.

The one word change is a gain, but again, the debate was if the quid was worth it? Either way its our PWA now, and all 70 seat aircraft (not jets) are limited to 102, 76 seat aircraft (not jets) to 223, DCI to 450. Again these are aircraft limits, not JET limits.

My position was we allowed 102 70 seat jets to get the aircraft limit placed on 70 seat aircraft, and 70 more 76 seaters as the quid for the ratios on the MBH, the two way production balance on DCI BH and 717 ratios for these jets.

The jet v aircraft change is a small one and often overlooked. He has not pointed out the error but that is why he keeps making the same point over and over. AIRCRAFT not JETS. Read the PWA

slowplay

Nope.

You can't count merged/acquired airplanes flying for a different code as Delta aircraft. That was your point when you started this discussion, another fear grenade like you tossed during the ratification of the TA.

We're each entitled to our own opinions. We're not entitled to our own set of facts. As we move forward, why don't we do it on a basis of fact?

Please.

Scoop

Guys,

Are we allowed to move PB days following a Res G/S?


Thanks Scoop

80ktsClamp

FDX ALPA membership elects their president, right? Besides, how would directly electing our president negatively affect the way we conduct our "business?"

Oh, and you made my point on the fact that it represents us. It is not a business first... it is there to represent the pilots the most effective way possible. Don't forget that.