Timbo

I thought I read that the only way we could end up flying 9 hours, with 2 pilots, was if it signed in prior to 1pm? How many Europe trips depart the USA prior to 1pm? I realize they could easily change the departure times to make it happen, but I think the loads would suffer.

Sink r8

I think an increasingly high number of pilots play schedule roulette, where they drop everything at the begininning of the month, and WS back.

I think this is a by-product of pmNWA pilots looking at the new system, and trying to figured out how it's used (I don't mean abused, just that it's 5,000 guys taking a fresh look, without the burden of tradition), and realizing WS gets served before SWP, and naturally infering that they would need to drop and WS to effect schedule changes.

In addition, having worked under a system that rewarding high-time months, with X1.5>80HRS, they cast a suspicious eye on the GS system, as it rewarded fewer pilots, less predictably.

Add in other non-merger factors, such a low pay driving desperate bhavior, an ultra-permissive swap system that lets people get around max pickup, and we're slowly getting to an FAR-limit-only airline.

It's completely backwards from where we should be, but it is what it is.

Sink r8

I thought it was something like 9AM-12PM, or similar. If it's a nice late morning start, I think you can do 9 hours, with a long duty day.

That's because you've laid over 48 hours, so you're now a European pilot. You fix your beret, move your cigarette to the furthest edge of your mouse, you pick up a baguette for the trip, and merde, it's time to go to weurk.

scambo1

Not in a mudhen?

scambo1

Yeah, they've got a work around, it just takes three pilots instead of two now.

I park on your line, you park on his line, he gives it back to me. Anyone who though the trip parking fix was bulletproof was AFU. It is what it is. Has anyone ever been in an aviation system where the rich didn't get richer?

Sink r8

Exactly. Which is why SWF/SB needs to be abolished, and we need a single source for trading trips, which includes SWP, and doesn't give priority to WS over SWP, all in a transparent, seniority-based manner, all within max pickup limits.

Too many people among us, and the Company of course, will make sure this never, ever, ever happens.

We're in the company of pigs and sheep, and the people looking over the system to protect us are wolves.

iaflyer

I'm not an expert, but I think that won't work - as written in the contract, the trip would have to go through the PCS process before it can be returned to your line.

Also, the programming in PCS to stop trip parking doesn't take into effect until Oct 1st I believe.

newKnow

Woah, 80. Are you sure that isn't an F-13??

scambo1

It works and its exactly how they're doing it.

iaflyer

I'm on reserve and don't really care but.. the restrictions aren't in effect yet, so any way of moving trips around right now will work.

October 2012 Implementation Items

5. PWA Section 23 F. 7. j), Elimination of “Trip Parking” A Pilot to Pilot Swap Board transaction will not be allowed if it returns a rotation to a pilot’s line after it was removed from such pilot’s line via an earlier swap board transaction unless such rotation was subsequently awarded to a pilot via PCS. In other words, if a pilot gives away a rotation via the Swap Board, he cannot get it back via the Swap Board unless it goes through Open Time (PCS) first.