Originally Posted by sailingfun

They can sustain almost 1000 a year. When we had much less sim capacity they were doing 100 a month for several months. If they lack sims then they simply contract out for them. They will not front load the retirements much. There is however another factor. Once we enter a sustained hiring mode it keeps a bunch of pilots off the line. Generally its a 5 to 7 percent factor. That means that once sustained hiring starts they have to staff the airline for the pilots in school. Thats 500 to 700 jobs. Its also why furloughs almost always follow after a hiring cycle. Your instantly surplus 5 to 7 percent of your pilots even if you keep the exact same block hours.
Unless there is a huge drop on overall system block hours we will hire by next fall. They have to in order to staff the block hours moving from DCI to the mainline. The retirements start up shortly after. If we don't hire late this fall I would expect classes starting next August and continuing on a sustained pace for many years.
That is of course if the economy gets better, Delta executes its business plan ect......

Originally Posted by sailingfun

They can sustain almost 1000 a year. When we had much less sim capacity they were doing 100 a month for several months. If they lack sims then they simply contract out for them. They will not front load the retirements much. There is however another factor. Once we enter a sustained hiring mode it keeps a bunch of pilots off the line. Generally its a 5 to 7 percent factor. That means that once sustained hiring starts they have to staff the airline for the pilots in school. Thats 500 to 700 jobs. Its also why furloughs almost always follow after a hiring cycle. Your instantly surplus 5 to 7 percent of your pilots even if you keep the exact same block hours.
Unless there is a huge drop on overall system block hours we will hire by next fall. They have to in order to staff the block hours moving from DCI to the mainline. The retirements start up shortly after. If we don't hire late this fall I would expect classes starting next August and continuing on a sustained pace for many years.
That is of course if the economy gets better, Delta executes its business plan ect......

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

Que "Call Me Baby" by Carly Jepesen

I threw a wish in the well
and signed at Embry Rid'dle
got student loans and the Pell
and now I'm on my way

I flew in a 182
and a Sem-in-ole
Tagged every pilot I know
and applied on-line

Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later

Your glare was holdin
worn pants and epaulets showin
crew meals had you blowin
where you think your goin baby?

Hey, I just met you and this is crazy
but I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later

You want the mil-it-tar-y
It's not very PC
They go on permanent leave
But their in my way

They say GoJets doesn't pay
I've got student loans today
I fly six legs every day
So call me maybe

Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

... and you believed him?


Wow ... an airline manager made another hiring promise they did not keep. Call CNN. Lindsey Lohan is more credible on the topic of Quantum Physics than airline management is on hiring. Which reminds me, do you know why Physicists are lousy at sex? Because when they find the position, they can't find the momentum.

Originally Posted by TANSTAAFL

You know, the same folks who predicted all the hiring in the last T&G - the Strategic Planning Committee - are the same folks that brief the MEC on the economic factors affecting the airline

Simply amazing how out of sync they were with themselves when the TA vote was at stake

Originally Posted by 76drvr

With regards to retirements, didn't the T&G show the cummulative retirements, both with or without the TA, as nuetral? IOW, we'd have the same number retirements through 2016 with or without the TA.

Originally Posted by 76drvr

With regards to retirements, didn't the T&G show the cummulative retirements, both with or without the TA, as nuetral? IOW, we'd have the same number retirements through 2016 with or without the TA.

Originally Posted by Bucking Bar

I flew an RJ,
So call me Baby

Originally Posted by sailingfun

Your correct however that was based on the oldest pilots taking the RMA. Since that did not happen we will now actually have more retirements by 2016 since many of the pilots who took the RMA were scheduled to leave in the 2016 to 18 timeframe. By the end of 2018 the number is the just about the same.