Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-03-2012, 06:47 AM
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The same people who told us oil would be $200+ per barrel over 2 years ago? Yeah, my money is on Richard Anderson.
09-03-2012, 07:05 AM
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Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan".
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09-03-2012, 07:06 AM
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Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.
While our hiring is ultimately based on the Network block hour plan, which in turn is affected by the economy, all indications are that the addition of 717s and the opportunity for pilots to take advantage of the Pilot Retirement Medical Account (RMA) early retirement option will accelerate movement across the seniority list and require us to begin hiring earlier than the planned pilot retirements alone would have. If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.
09-03-2012, 07:20 AM
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Wow ... an airline manager made another hiring promise they did not keep. Call CNN. Lindsey Lohan is more credible on the topic of Quantum Physics than airline management is on hiring. Which reminds me, do you know why Physicists are lousy at sex? Because when they find the position, they can't find the momentum.
09-03-2012, 07:24 AM
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Que "Call Me Baby" by Carly Jepesen
I threw a wish in the well
and signed at Embry Rid'dle
got student loans and the Pell
and now I'm on my way
I flew in a 182
and a Sem-in-ole
Tagged every pilot I know
and applied on-line
Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later
Your glare was holdin
worn pants and epaulets showin
crew meals had you blowin
where you think your goin baby?
Hey, I just met you and this is crazy
but I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later
You want the mil-it-tar-y
It's not very PC
They go on permanent leave
But their in my way
They say GoJets doesn't pay
I've got student loans today
I fly six legs every day
So call me maybe
Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
I threw a wish in the well
and signed at Embry Rid'dle
got student loans and the Pell
and now I'm on my way
I flew in a 182
and a Sem-in-ole
Tagged every pilot I know
and applied on-line
Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later
Your glare was holdin
worn pants and epaulets showin
crew meals had you blowin
where you think your goin baby?
Hey, I just met you and this is crazy
but I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
Studied Aerodynamics, for Avi-A-tors
So, here's my number, call me later
You want the mil-it-tar-y
It's not very PC
They go on permanent leave
But their in my way
They say GoJets doesn't pay
I've got student loans today
I fly six legs every day
So call me maybe
Hey, I just met you
and this is crazy
I flew an RJ
So call me maybe
09-03-2012, 07:28 AM
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09-03-2012, 07:39 AM
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All is not lost however. I have a investment deal for you. Send me 10 grand. I will make you some money, If there is no economic downturn, unanticipated event, I execute my trading plan then I might make a profit for you as early as next Spring. Are you in?
09-03-2012, 07:58 AM
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If, continue, could, as early? You take all that as a statement they were going to hire? We read it very differently. I read it as hiring is possible in the 4th quarter depending on a bunch of things. That statement is correct. Hiring is possible. The block hour plan will decide if its needed.
All is not lost however. I have a investment deal for you. Send me 10 grand. I will make you some money, If there is no economic downturn, unanticipated event, I execute my trading plan then I might make a profit for you as early as next Spring. Are you in?
All is not lost however. I have a investment deal for you. Send me 10 grand. I will make you some money, If there is no economic downturn, unanticipated event, I execute my trading plan then I might make a profit for you as early as next Spring. Are you in?
Agree this had so many outs for management. I took it as a plea for the junior folks to vote for the TA. I think the ultimate reason we will initially hire is not for the block hour plan but rather, the need to lead turn the hiring required for the eventual retirements.
Many have said we simply don't have the training capacity we once had and will be maxed out at 600 per year. What I see happening though is this: The board, in order to not carry extra pilots, will not hire until it's too late and then Flight Ops will be forced to tell the network guys that their glorious plan for world domination is just so much pie in the sky. If they don't think outside the spreadsheet they won't be able to quickly react, and that is the ultimate decision here. To their credit however, our management has repeatedly shown out of the box thinking and the desire to run an airline!
09-03-2012, 08:14 AM
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Sailing,
What I see happening though is this: The board, in order to not carry extra pilots, will not hire until it's too late and then Flight Ops will be forced to tell the network guys that their glorious plan for world domination is just so much pie in the sky. If they don't think outside the spreadsheet they won't be able to quickly react, and that is the ultimate decision here. To their credit however, our management has repeatedly shown out of the box thinking and the desire to run an airline!
What I see happening though is this: The board, in order to not carry extra pilots, will not hire until it's too late and then Flight Ops will be forced to tell the network guys that their glorious plan for world domination is just so much pie in the sky. If they don't think outside the spreadsheet they won't be able to quickly react, and that is the ultimate decision here. To their credit however, our management has repeatedly shown out of the box thinking and the desire to run an airline!
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09-03-2012, 08:38 AM
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Sailing,
Agree this had so many outs for management. I took it as a plea for the junior folks to vote for the TA. I think the ultimate reason we will initially hire is not for the block hour plan but rather, the need to lead turn the hiring required for the eventual retirements.
Many have said we simply don't have the training capacity we once had and will be maxed out at 600 per year. What I see happening though is this: The board, in order to not carry extra pilots, will not hire until it's too late and then Flight Ops will be forced to tell the network guys that their glorious plan for world domination is just so much pie in the sky. If they don't think outside the spreadsheet they won't be able to quickly react, and that is the ultimate decision here. To their credit however, our management has repeatedly shown out of the box thinking and the desire to run an airline!
Agree this had so many outs for management. I took it as a plea for the junior folks to vote for the TA. I think the ultimate reason we will initially hire is not for the block hour plan but rather, the need to lead turn the hiring required for the eventual retirements.
Many have said we simply don't have the training capacity we once had and will be maxed out at 600 per year. What I see happening though is this: The board, in order to not carry extra pilots, will not hire until it's too late and then Flight Ops will be forced to tell the network guys that their glorious plan for world domination is just so much pie in the sky. If they don't think outside the spreadsheet they won't be able to quickly react, and that is the ultimate decision here. To their credit however, our management has repeatedly shown out of the box thinking and the desire to run an airline!
Unless there is a huge drop on overall system block hours we will hire by next fall. They have to in order to staff the block hours moving from DCI to the mainline. The retirements start up shortly after. If we don't hire late this fall I would expect classes starting next August and continuing on a sustained pace for many years.
That is of course if the economy gets better, Delta executes its business plan ect......
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