Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-03-2012, 02:24 AM
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Might be because the airlines and A4A specifically are paying for it. Might be a ploy to get the major to eat all of the cost.
09-03-2012, 02:39 AM
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09-03-2012, 02:43 AM
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So you would rather the most senior... oldest... 300 left rather than the 191 more youthful group that DID leave? Yeah, I think he's serious and he has a great point. You might want to revisit your stance on that one.
09-03-2012, 02:46 AM
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It still doesn't make his statement not downright stupid. All the early outs have gone to the same age range, so 300 would be better than 191. As per your example, this "bump" will evaporate over 3-5 years... and to top it off, they didn't backfill beyond one layer either.
My seniority number has gone up, but I'm more junior than I was in 2008.
My seniority number has gone up, but I'm more junior than I was in 2008.
09-03-2012, 02:54 AM
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Scambo, it was a good read. A friend of mine in the oil business thought we were nuts to buy a refinery that was never "profitable". I don't think he or any other oil guy saw why Delta did the deal and SD does a nice job of explaining it to us. It's all about the crack spread (no FTB we don't need pics).
09-03-2012, 02:59 AM
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If not... GROW UP
09-03-2012, 03:27 AM
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09-03-2012, 05:06 AM
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If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.
09-03-2012, 05:12 AM
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I don't work for ALPA in any way shape or form. I am however smart enough to look things up if I want answers. You can view all the retirements both RMA and normal on Delta net.
09-03-2012, 05:29 AM
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Who told you they were going to hire in June? I have never seen anything put out by the company stating that. I have seen the following however put out over and over again. "We will decide on the possiblilty of hiring later this year based on the summer 13 marketing plan". That plan is still not out. When its out you can ask me and I will tell you if we will hire or not.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.
If I had to answer before the plan comes out I would say we will not hire. The worldwide economy is in the toilet. I don't see marketing pushing for any increases in block hours. The 717's and 737-900 don't really figure into the block hour plan much until the summer of 14. That is also when we really start seeing DCI block hours shifted to the mainline.
Keep in mind that Delta more so then other airlines has a huge debt problem mainly revolving around retirement. They carry that debt off the books. That is why the huge push to reduce on the books debt. Feeding that monster requires lots of cash. We can't afford any reduction in yield hence have to maintain more capacity restraint then other airlines.
Sooner or later a market share war will break out. When it does Delta will add capacity like the others. The industry will then resume its boom and bust cycle.
If Delta can continue to execute its business plan, including the 717s, and barring an economic downturn or other unanticipated event, we could begin the hiring process as early as the last quarter of this year.*****
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