Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-01-2012, 12:24 PM
The Brown Dot +1
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Many if not most pilots on long term Mil leave are there on a voluntary basis. They are staying on active duty in order to get their 20 years in for government retirement. At that point they can return to Delta and Delta is required to figure out a assumed earnings number for pay while they were gone and reimburse them all retirement money they missed at Delta and pay interest on that amount. Its a pretty good deal if you can work the timing. You come back to Delta perhaps now a Captain with a full military retirement and medical you are drawing on at the same time plus full reimbursement for any Delta retirement you missed. Delta has been very generous in not enforcing the 5 year rule on mil leave to allow this to happen. Other employers have enforced the rule.
09-01-2012, 12:27 PM
seeing the large hubs...
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One of my non-dependent kids just traveled Atl/Sea on a 3B yield fare , round trip. She missed the return leg, and when I went to the travelnet to re-book her return leg, The entire record locator had been removed.
I had to pay another yield fare to book her return leg, and I can find NO way to apply for a refund on the original return leg. I have been to the travel history page, and everywhere else I can think of....no luck.
ESC is closed on the weekend.......any ideas, or info would be appreciated
I had to pay another yield fare to book her return leg, and I can find NO way to apply for a refund on the original return leg. I have been to the travel history page, and everywhere else I can think of....no luck.
ESC is closed on the weekend.......any ideas, or info would be appreciated
Once you find the ticket number that's the key to refunding it or using it again.
Otherwise, the ESC can probably look it up when they reopen on probably Tuesday, because no one at Delta is working the weekend, right?
09-01-2012, 12:55 PM
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09-01-2012, 01:15 PM
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Could one of you whiz kids (ie, FTB, Clamp, Bar) pull up the flight track of DAL 2209 from MSP-SFO last night? You wouldn't believe the route we took at 1:30 AM.
The final segment.
The final segment.
09-01-2012, 01:21 PM
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09-01-2012, 01:26 PM
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09-01-2012, 01:29 PM
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09-01-2012, 01:33 PM
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Apparently not.
09-01-2012, 01:36 PM
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Sorry for a drift here guys, but this has been buggin me. Obama did not return the salute given to him by his Marine guard plane side (at the helocopter) yesterday. What is the protocol for the President, and if a return is not required, shouldn't it be offered as a signal of courtesy and respect for the USMC? Cheers...H
Is it proper for the President of the United States to render a hand salute?
09-01-2012, 01:53 PM
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FTB,
Good discussion and you bring up many good points. All of which however, have valid counterpoints. To answer you question above - my answer remains the same: I would rather have a system that gives the best QOL to the most pilots.
So why stop at the reserve Pilots - why not spread QOL out amongst all pilots. When I bid a line every Pilot above me is awarded at least three rotations before I can pick my first. Extrapolating your logic to lineholders, why not every pilot pick a single rotation in seniority order, then when every line-holder has his "Primary" rotation you go back and the most senior Pilot picks his second rotation and so down the seniority list until all the line-holders are finished?
Wouldn't this also be a way of ensuring that the top 70% of line-holders get a better QOL than just the first 1/3 getting great lines, the second 1/3 doing OK and the bottom 1/3 getting the scraps?
Like I say, you bring up many good points but one Pilots scheduling improvement is often another Pilots scheduling degradation. The current system is a result of numerous adjustments over the years some changes increasing the power of seniority other changes decreasing it.
The only thing that remains the same is that as soon as the changes are implemented the group that perceives themselves to be harmed by the new rules gets mad as Hell. I have no doubt this refinement process will continue, and it should, but it should be based on the analysis of a substantial amount of hard data covering all the domiciles and all the equipment.
Scoop
Good discussion and you bring up many good points. All of which however, have valid counterpoints. To answer you question above - my answer remains the same: I would rather have a system that gives the best QOL to the most pilots.
So why stop at the reserve Pilots - why not spread QOL out amongst all pilots. When I bid a line every Pilot above me is awarded at least three rotations before I can pick my first. Extrapolating your logic to lineholders, why not every pilot pick a single rotation in seniority order, then when every line-holder has his "Primary" rotation you go back and the most senior Pilot picks his second rotation and so down the seniority list until all the line-holders are finished?
Wouldn't this also be a way of ensuring that the top 70% of line-holders get a better QOL than just the first 1/3 getting great lines, the second 1/3 doing OK and the bottom 1/3 getting the scraps?
Like I say, you bring up many good points but one Pilots scheduling improvement is often another Pilots scheduling degradation. The current system is a result of numerous adjustments over the years some changes increasing the power of seniority other changes decreasing it.
The only thing that remains the same is that as soon as the changes are implemented the group that perceives themselves to be harmed by the new rules gets mad as Hell. I have no doubt this refinement process will continue, and it should, but it should be based on the analysis of a substantial amount of hard data covering all the domiciles and all the equipment.
Scoop
you also can only bid days off, you cannot select trips. that is a major difference.
now if you want to apply the same bucket system to lines then what you do is pay ALV no matter how little you work in seniority order. Top pilots can bid 0 if they so chose and will be paid ALV. Everyone gets ALV except those who fly above.
Ideally 5 maybe 10% fly 0, 10-15% fly 30, 15-20% fly 45, 20 and on fly ALV.
now, it would be too my advantage to not push for lower raw thresholds etc. however, it only benefits me if for right now. but i have no intention of staying 88B for the next 35 years.
fwiw there is a fix to this and i believe the company will implement it. i seriously doubt they want to pay reserve pilots ALV for only flying 0-20 hours a month on 3 or so days of work. the simple fix is reduce the number of pilots on reserve, award more lines at the bare minimum hours. makes the discussion a moo point, but for anyone sitting senior reserve in the old system and new, QOL did not change on lc, it did on sc right up until they went to putting almost every pilot on sc every day. theyll be happy when they have 7 sc's to work with. i think this is why the union pushes back on lowering the first bucket.
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