Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-01-2012, 07:11 AM
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actually I've had a few conversations about it with the union and can post the summary when I get back to the computer.
like I mentioned the thing that was broken before was SC. it counted for nothing and was assigned at random. that's been fixed and is great. but that's where changes should've stopped and time allowed to pass before more radical changes were made.
having worked in both systems, the raw score only long call was a better QOL for more pilots than with the bucket system. remember in the raw only the senior pilots, contrary to pulsar belief, flew last because seniority did matter a lot on LC.
but it was a system once everyone had worked at least a little then reverted to a simple ye who works the least goes first. that was a good system and the flying was spread out minus the effects of SC.
the thing is if we looked at the data and junior pilots were not being screwed then I think they'd need to fix it by raising the 80 raw score bucket to 120. that's if their goal is to remain consistent with the idea of a seniority only system minus strings attached by a company who has no desire to pay pilots in full not to work in full.
my question is do you want a system that requires you to be in the top 70% of a category to have decent QOL or one that says if your okay with being on reserve you can have a pretty good QOL even at 90% in category?
like I mentioned the thing that was broken before was SC. it counted for nothing and was assigned at random. that's been fixed and is great. but that's where changes should've stopped and time allowed to pass before more radical changes were made.
having worked in both systems, the raw score only long call was a better QOL for more pilots than with the bucket system. remember in the raw only the senior pilots, contrary to pulsar belief, flew last because seniority did matter a lot on LC.
but it was a system once everyone had worked at least a little then reverted to a simple ye who works the least goes first. that was a good system and the flying was spread out minus the effects of SC.
the thing is if we looked at the data and junior pilots were not being screwed then I think they'd need to fix it by raising the 80 raw score bucket to 120. that's if their goal is to remain consistent with the idea of a seniority only system minus strings attached by a company who has no desire to pay pilots in full not to work in full.
my question is do you want a system that requires you to be in the top 70% of a category to have decent QOL or one that says if your okay with being on reserve you can have a pretty good QOL even at 90% in category?
09-01-2012, 07:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Going2Baja;1254477[B
]How is Mil Leave differ from Furlough Bypass?[/B] Being gone 10 years for Mil or on Bypass doesn't seem all that different.....Is there contractual language?
Baja.
Baja.
Pilots out for MIL LV are under "Orders" from the military. They have little or no say in when their orders are up. Pilots who bypass are making a personal decision and weigh the pros and cons. Thus the company will take back MIL LV members whenever they are done with their commitment.
When MIL LV is up they can bid anywhere that their seniority can hold. It really woudn't work out too well for MIL guys and gals if their MIL commitment ended and they were out on the street for 3-4 years waiting for the company to hire.
The good thing about this is that unlike furloughs who are all very closely spaced in seniority and can only return during active hiring MIL LV personnel are a little more spread out and will slowly trickle in at various seniority levels and do not normally return in big groups coincident with hiring.
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09-01-2012, 07:35 AM
seeing the large hubs...
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Hey, can a 777 guy give me some intel on how often DXB-ATL (and I guess ATL-DXB but that seems like less of an issue) are payload optimized? Are non-revs left behind often/sometimes/never? Thanks!
09-01-2012, 07:52 AM
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Scoop addressed it already, but the real difference is that furlough bypass is a contractual item and military leave is governed by federal law.
09-01-2012, 07:52 AM
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Pilots out for MIL LV are under "Orders" from the military. They have little or no say in when their orders are up. Pilots who bypass are making a personal decision and weigh the pros and cons. Thus the company will take back MIL LV members whenever they are done with their commitment.
When MIL LV is up they can bid anywhere that their seniority can hold. It really woudn't work out too well for MIL guys and gals if their MIL commitment ended and they were out on the street for 3-4 years waiting for the company to hire.
The good thing about this is that unlike furloughs who are all very closely spaced in seniority and can only return during active hiring MIL LV personnel are a little more spread out and will slowly trickle in at various seniority levels and do not normally return in big groups coincident with hiring.
Scoop
When MIL LV is up they can bid anywhere that their seniority can hold. It really woudn't work out too well for MIL guys and gals if their MIL commitment ended and they were out on the street for 3-4 years waiting for the company to hire.
The good thing about this is that unlike furloughs who are all very closely spaced in seniority and can only return during active hiring MIL LV personnel are a little more spread out and will slowly trickle in at various seniority levels and do not normally return in big groups coincident with hiring.
Scoop
09-01-2012, 07:53 AM
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Sorry for a drift here guys, but this has been buggin me. Obama did not return the salute given to him by his Marine guard plane side (at the helocopter) yesterday. What is the protocol for the President, and if a return is not required, shouldn't it be offered as a signal of courtesy and respect for the USMC? Cheers...H
09-01-2012, 07:55 AM
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As a very junior block holder, I would like to fix the inequity of QOL between lineholders. I live in base and hate 5 day trips. Unfortunately, that is typically what my seniority can hold. My QOL would be much better if I could have some of those turns, but only the stinking top 10% get them. Maybe as we are fixing the reserve QOL program we could take care of this too.
09-01-2012, 08:13 AM
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Sorry for a drift here guys, but this has been buggin me. Obama did not return the salute given to him by his Marine guard plane side (at the helocopter) yesterday. What is the protocol for the President, and if a return is not required, shouldn't it be offered as a signal of courtesy and respect for the USMC? Cheers...H
Maybe a "thank you" nod as deplaning (dechoppering)????
09-01-2012, 08:14 AM
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in PCS there is an option to set preferences for flying on X days for yellow slips. I haven't paid too much attention to this. What happens if you are awarded a yellow slip trip on your days off? You can put in date ranges or a specific trip. Can any one explain how this works and how those trips are awarded?
09-01-2012, 08:32 AM
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Sorry for a drift here guys, but this has been buggin me. Obama did not return the salute given to him by his Marine guard plane side (at the helocopter) yesterday. What is the protocol for the President, and if a return is not required, shouldn't it be offered as a signal of courtesy and respect for the USMC? Cheers...H
I had the distinct honor of serving as the Joint Base Andrews Commander, a position which included the responsibility to greet the President when he either flew in on Marine One/Air Force One as well as when he played golf at Andrews. Our security personnel worked hand in hand with the Secret Service to ensure the President’s safety, a mission we took very seriously. In the course of my responsibilities, I had probably 100 10-15 second chats with the President (and occasionally, with the First Lady, Vice President, etc.). In all of those dealings, the President never failed to be the most gracious, kind, and respectful man imaginable for our military personnel and me. He and his staff treated us extremely well...
He goes on at length to discuss how he does not agree with the President's politics, but I don't think his treatment military men and women has been an issue.
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