tsquare

Yeah, we should have kept reserve pay at 70 hours.. or better yet, ALV -5 hours. THAT would have created movement.

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johnso29

I'd be floored if the kept anything close to that.

Except they can do it all year. Our changing ALV prevents that. Or our you stating CAL only does FAR max in the summer?

Last I saw, NB guys could be flown 95 hours and WB guys 92 hours

I know many on this board question the average 87 hour number. I remember lots of guys on this board screaming how they don't come close to 87 hours per month. Plus, that's due to what guys pick up on their own. Not what they're forced to fly, right?

Bad for them.

gloopy

Is that really what's going on though? Especially going forward, and not looking at the autumn trough numbers, which doesn't count because there is no way they are going to cull the large WB fleets just for the fall anyway? Then consider the early outs, disproportionately from the large WB fleets (especially the 747), with more 747's coming back online in time for 2013 peak flying, and how much are they really carrying?

Again, let's not call the delta P between the autumn trough and peak summer a "carry" because that's not honest at all. Peak to peak, after backing out the early outs, is there much if any of a carry in the first place?

johnso29

Is she legal?

acl65pilot

I beleive so. Not 11% like some have said but there is a good deal across all fleets.

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If we want to be more efficient the first thing we needed to do was fix the reserve problem- and the TA did do that.

We've got pilots averaging 45 hours a month, some flying 0 a month under the new bucket system. That's a problem. Maximum efficiency will be reached at 60 hours per reserve pilot on average.

The old PWA, I'll admit this, prevented this from happening with the 70 hour reserve pilot. With ALV+15, the WB categories will need fewer pilots right now. Then as attrition or the RMA kicks in, we can begin to increase line holder ALVs as fewer pilots fly the same amount (or less) block hours and therein help push the reserve pilots to 60 hours.

Then we'll hire. And do so knowing we've hit maximum staffing efficiency.

fisherpilot

Bar....... you had me all excited for about a second.... Then let down the next!

gloopy

Then less than 10% isn't really much of a carry, especially in small categories, especially when we still have a good bit of mandatory retirement movement in those fleets in the coming years. I was suprised to see how few age 64'ers took it. I think we had 85 mandatory outs for 2013 and only 20 something took this out? I bet several dozen of the remaining ones for 2013 are from the large WB fleets. Not only that, but ALPA says the average age to punch out is 62 or 63 anyway, so we will start to see more leave from later years next year as well.

Would they really run a displacement for what, 5-7% of relatively small categories, just in time to immediately post an AE to backfull the displacement? I don't think so, and if they don't, is it realy fair to call that slight buffer a carry?

They aren't flushing the tiny transient surplus because it makes no sense to do so. Not because we're sitting on a lot of fat and they are just trying to be nice about it.

acl65pilot

That was the LBO. Point is CH11 and we are far from it. Bunker mentality has got to stop.

So what? They don't and cannot flex bodies between peaks and lulls. They flex in summer and so do we. We have effectively matched the efficency and staffing. Good on us.


Line consstruction is the initial part of it. Most line holders fly to max pickup if they can. That is 87 in a month with a ALV of 72 and 99 in a month with 84.

They rerun the avg fly every year and it is between 85-87 hrs almost every year. Even fat years.


Bad for you if we are going to match efficencies. The FT/DT LOA still needs to be done next year.

What are you willing to match?
ULH augmentation
8-12 hr augmenation to FT DT?

Little nuggets like the CAL IRO DH stuff are areas we can eek efficiency out of. Keep that in mind.

We are in a non concessionary environment and we conceded work rules and efficiencies. My Reps say that those that filled out the surveys were more than willing to concede working more for a few hrs of pay each month. When I did the math on how I have credited and timed out, it could be four to six more days on the hook.

Many want it to be ALV +7.5 not 15. Well its going to take bargaining captial to get that back next time.


We have what we have and the TA was hashed out and the majority voted yes, even if they did not like it. That is fact. Lets look at what we have and try to improve on it. We will have consolidation or the FT/DT LOA that are our nearest opportunities and threats to what we currently have as our book. We need to find ways to raise the bar, industry wide, not match the lower book in hopes of being more competitive. If max efficiency is our goal, then what is the point of work rules? Just make it FAR limits and be done with it. I want to see improvements in our career, not the other way around.