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08-22-2012, 09:48 AM
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It has little to do with it but the TA will result in fewer pilots needed per the block plan when we do increase block hrs.
Right now the work rule language does not help us and we really cannot see its result in staffing, because the economy overshadows everything. When the economy improves in some distant date, we will be more efficient as a whole because each pilot will be flying slightly more time than they did prior to the agreement. As long as DAL holds the carrying costs on the WB jets and the down bidding occurs on the 767 and below there will be little sympathy for anyone. Given when hiring will occur the pilots hired in 2001 and later will be the ones that may see the displacements to staff the initial 739's and 717's. After that, retirements will kick in and new hires will be needed as the 717's and retirements drive hiring.
We bought it and it's our PWA. Time to look at what you want going forward and what changes, if any need to be made to get it. What we have is what we have until we can improve it.
Right now the work rule language does not help us and we really cannot see its result in staffing, because the economy overshadows everything. When the economy improves in some distant date, we will be more efficient as a whole because each pilot will be flying slightly more time than they did prior to the agreement. As long as DAL holds the carrying costs on the WB jets and the down bidding occurs on the 767 and below there will be little sympathy for anyone. Given when hiring will occur the pilots hired in 2001 and later will be the ones that may see the displacements to staff the initial 739's and 717's. After that, retirements will kick in and new hires will be needed as the 717's and retirements drive hiring.
We bought it and it's our PWA. Time to look at what you want going forward and what changes, if any need to be made to get it. What we have is what we have until we can improve it.
08-22-2012, 09:52 AM
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Are you gullible enough to think it does? CAL reserves can be flown to 100 hours every single month. UAL is 90+ every single month. While the new contract makes our pilot group slightly more efficient, it's not to the dramatic degree that many make it out to be.
08-22-2012, 09:58 AM
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08-22-2012, 10:02 AM
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08-22-2012, 10:07 AM
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08-22-2012, 10:17 AM
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We will see what AMR does. Under the last LBO their reserves were 85 hrs max. So less efficient.
UCAL will have new work rules so you cannot compare yet. They are at CAL basically FAR MAX and that comes to effect in the summer where our reserves can fly or are on the hook for 99 hrs. So fairly equal
UAL still has some work rules but their trip rigs are comparable to ours. So are CAL's and AMR's except their current max fly stuff.
We average 87 hrs of credit per pilot per month. We all have similar work rules, so I would say we are as, if not more efficient than many of them.
A difference for example is:
CAL DH's the IRO over to europe if the Eastbound flight is less than 8 hrs resulting in it being credit and not flight time.
Many efficiency issues come from rotation construction. ADC of 4+30 will not drive more efficiency. It allows Carmen to build trips the way it does now. Fix rotation construction and any trip credit sans 6+ day trips and out and back redeyes will have no credit to them. It will all be hard time.
Because of this and other items, working more days or being on the hook more has to do with more than just one section of a CBA or PWA.
08-22-2012, 10:19 AM
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Sigh.........I'm going back to my corner before I really get laid into.
08-22-2012, 10:20 AM
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If you don't like JungleBus having an opinion, then I suggest not hiring regional pilots from this point forward.
They all have opinions because they're working in the system. They see how it works. They're not a blank slate. You might want to say, tarnished.
Now, he asked rhetorically why 2/3 of the pilot group would think the TA would cause anything but stagnation. The answer to his rhetorical question that wasn't asked can be summed up into a simple phrase:
They all have opinions because they're working in the system. They see how it works. They're not a blank slate. You might want to say, tarnished.
Now, he asked rhetorically why 2/3 of the pilot group would think the TA would cause anything but stagnation. The answer to his rhetorical question that wasn't asked can be summed up into a simple phrase:
two bushes in a bird's hand.
08-22-2012, 10:22 AM
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Johnso;
We need to stop attacking this from that angle as well. Just because they have less than we do, and we may cost more, it does not mean we need to reach their efficiencies. We have a hurdle they can leap over and that is the baseline of pattern bargaining. We as a group need to start patterning up, not look for way that we cost more than someone else. That mentality will give us diminishing returns.
We need to stop attacking this from that angle as well. Just because they have less than we do, and we may cost more, it does not mean we need to reach their efficiencies. We have a hurdle they can leap over and that is the baseline of pattern bargaining. We as a group need to start patterning up, not look for way that we cost more than someone else. That mentality will give us diminishing returns.
08-22-2012, 10:23 AM
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