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Old 08-20-2012, 07:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
I remember from training in the 88 if you land with the gear doors open you have to stop straight ahead and get them pinned up and get towed in. It is in a couple QRH procedures, you do it in the sim. They have skid bumps on them so they don't get damaged but they will scrape across the ground as you land. You can't turn the airplane after landing though because the doors could shear off. I would guess this is what happened.

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Old 08-20-2012, 07:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Brocc15
I remember from training in the 88 if you land with the gear doors open you have to stop straight ahead and get them pinned up or get towed in. It is in a couple QRH procedures, you do it in the sim. They have skid bumps on them so they don't get damaged but they will scrape across the ground as you land. You can't turn the airplane after landing though because the doors could shear off. I would guess this is what happened.
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Old 08-20-2012, 07:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
Nothing to see here. Just another MD88 hydraulic failure. Fortunately, there is not a whole lot of difference between the loss of system(s) and the normal operation of the system. LT side still has it's half of what matters. So you got that going for you. Besides, what could possibly go wrong?
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I remember from training in the 88 if you land with the gear doors open you have to stop straight ahead and get them pinned up or get towed in. It is in a couple QRH procedures, you do it in the sim. They have skid bumps on them so they don't get damaged but they will scrape across the ground as you land. You can't turn the airplane after landing though because the doors could shear off. I would guess this is what happened.
That was nice of them to put skids on them, anticipating system failure

Since Douglas hydraulics, with un-pressurized reservoirs and completely overwhelmed right side accumulators (for chriss'sakes even the Brazillia had pressurized reservoirs) a forgetful FO, or normal operation, will result in failure. (Why Douglas, with 69 lighting switches and rheostats on the flight deck could not spring for one micro-switch on the gear handle to run the aux pump, who knows? For that matter, the whole system is a DC9-10's with more reservoir capacity and hooptied up with an old aux pump off a DC-10 to blow the thing up to 3,000 PSID)

Of course line pilots will refer to the QRH and follow that guidance precisely. However, with my Doctorate in Douglas Post Certification Test and Re-Design, ... figure the right side hydraulics were already FUBAR'd and turning everything off could not hurt. After about 3 to 5 minutes for the system to burp itself I'd turn it back on and see what happened. Without the assistance of the DC-10's super hooptie'd super cooled overclocked aux pump to make air bubbles irrelevant at 3,000 PSI the system can get enough air in it to make it less of a hydraulic system and more of a 400 knot Schwinn bicycle tire.

We Douglas Line Flying Test Pilots hope to get pressurized accumulators, or a switch on the gear handle, like Boeing has had since aircraft names had "Strato" in front of them.

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Old 08-20-2012, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Columbia
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Delta flight has rough landing, towed - Atlanta Business Chronicle

"when its main landing gear doors scraped against the runway, reports the Tampa Bay Times."
HEY! Kudos to the guy who put that as one of the LOEs.

No biggie. The gear door(s) did not close after the gear extended. Run the QRH, stop it on the runway, latch the doors manually, pin it and tow it in and high five your sim partner cuz you just got away with LOE murder.

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Old 08-20-2012, 08:14 AM
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HEY! Kudos to the guy who put that as one of the LOEs.

No biggie. The gear door(s) did not close after the gear extended. Run the QRH, stop it on the runway, latch the doors manually, pin it and tow it in and high five your sim partner cuz you just got away with LOE murder.

As these fellows approach the airplane ...


"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. Please remain seated. Our landing gear doors fell down and we can't get them up. In anywhere from 15 minutes to two hours we'll get someone to pin them back to the airframe and get towed to the gate. You can use your cell phones. We ask that you please do not call your friends at the news paper."
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:31 AM
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Old 08-20-2012, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by Delta1067
I think someone said re enstatement rights only last 6 months so I think I'm going to be out of luck getting back to DTW on the ER. I'm looking for a different crashpad in NYC. I'm willing to pay up to $400 per month for the right place if it's really nice. I'm sick of my hot sheet pad with 20 people coming and going 24/7. PM me if you know of anything. All areas considered.
Good advice here from all your Dal Brothers but...try the Pan Am. It is not the Ritz, however it has a microwave and fridge, 24 hour van service to and from JFK and LGA (that's a big deal), safe neighborhood on Queens Bvld, in house restaurant, Pops diner 24hr 50 yards away (very good eats), late check out, $75 out the door if you stay 6 times. If you like beer...Tommy will gladly stop by a store for you on the way to the hotel. Just a thought...Cheeers H. ps fast track Boomer. You heard the Man.
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:00 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
We can't touch what JetBlue is doing now. They would kick our butts from one end of the playing field to the other. Take a look at the CASM's of each airline on the A320. Its all about cost in the end.
That's a pretty wide over simplification. If CASM is the main (and almost only) controlling variable then all we can do is sit here and let them slowly dominate all of our domestic lift on their terms. All we can do is reduce capacity to squeeze revenues, outright gifting them CASM controlling growth while we raise our own CASM by comparison.

We're doomed I tell ya. Doomed! All our pax are belong to them!
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:02 AM
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D'oh.



So we turned 70 seaters into just a little bigger 50 seaters? With rising CASM they'll become a burden on the airline but given we have long term contracts on them the only way to solve this pro... nevermind. Hey, who is up for 16 777-300s?
How many ER's and/or 74's are you willing to give up for that?
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Old 08-20-2012, 09:51 AM
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How many ER's and/or 74's are you willing to give up for that?
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