Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-17-2012, 05:36 AM
Can't abide NAI
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08-17-2012, 05:50 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Pinnacle FO,
Consider what management is trying to achieve here. They want to take another swing at destroying the longevity system which has been the time honored way our profession has rewarded experience. More experienced pilots fly more productive equipment and get paid more. Presumably that's the reason I get paid more than you for similar work.
I am posting this on the "mainline" thread because mainline pilots need to be aware of these trends. We all need to know our history. Delta acquired "regional" airlines and learned that pilots don't need a legacy contract, legacy rest scheduling rules and legacy pay to get pilots to operate an airplane safely. As bankruptcy approached Delta, management knew what it could get away with because management was already operating two other airlines with "regional" contracts.
This is why what happens to you, and Comair, applies to us. ALPA can not complain something is "unsafe" or "unfair" at one airline when at an alter ego subsidiary they accepted the practice for competitive reasons.
Just remember that pilots don't buy airplanes. We don't earn enough (particularly true in your case). Surely Comair's example frightens Pinnacle pilots, but consider their history. Comair took concessions to take ASA's flying during the previous decade, then more concessions to save their own neck. The age of their fleet and management inefficiencies took them out anyway.
Your pilot group will do better by steering a straight course through this storm, you can't out run it with concessions. Pinnacle's fate is up to mainline carriers' fleet plans, including possibly American's. I'm optimistic for you, but acknowledge little of what mainline management does on the small jet level makes strategic sense.
Perhaps the most sensible way to do an airline is to fly you own airplanes. Hope to see you at a mainline carrier flying passengers who's tickets have the same name on them that your paycheck has printed on it soon.
Consider what management is trying to achieve here. They want to take another swing at destroying the longevity system which has been the time honored way our profession has rewarded experience. More experienced pilots fly more productive equipment and get paid more. Presumably that's the reason I get paid more than you for similar work.
I am posting this on the "mainline" thread because mainline pilots need to be aware of these trends. We all need to know our history. Delta acquired "regional" airlines and learned that pilots don't need a legacy contract, legacy rest scheduling rules and legacy pay to get pilots to operate an airplane safely. As bankruptcy approached Delta, management knew what it could get away with because management was already operating two other airlines with "regional" contracts.
This is why what happens to you, and Comair, applies to us. ALPA can not complain something is "unsafe" or "unfair" at one airline when at an alter ego subsidiary they accepted the practice for competitive reasons.
Just remember that pilots don't buy airplanes. We don't earn enough (particularly true in your case). Surely Comair's example frightens Pinnacle pilots, but consider their history. Comair took concessions to take ASA's flying during the previous decade, then more concessions to save their own neck. The age of their fleet and management inefficiencies took them out anyway.
Your pilot group will do better by steering a straight course through this storm, you can't out run it with concessions. Pinnacle's fate is up to mainline carriers' fleet plans, including possibly American's. I'm optimistic for you, but acknowledge little of what mainline management does on the small jet level makes strategic sense.
Perhaps the most sensible way to do an airline is to fly you own airplanes. Hope to see you at a mainline carrier flying passengers who's tickets have the same name on them that your paycheck has printed on it soon.
08-17-2012, 06:07 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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Scambo,
Noone junior in New York can hold international anything. International categories, yes, but not international flying. The only exceptions are some 2007 hires that went on the 765 when the ER was still an ER, and haven't been disloged yet. And there are 164 pilots senior to me trying to get in there to dislodge them.
Noone junior in New York can hold international anything. International categories, yes, but not international flying. The only exceptions are some 2007 hires that went on the 765 when the ER was still an ER, and haven't been disloged yet. And there are 164 pilots senior to me trying to get in there to dislodge them.
My assumption is that he will be on reserve. Int'l category reserve at home opens him up to hard time trips on his off days. He doesn't have to take the crappy greenslip, he can wait for the better one. In base reserve bidding like Denny said gives him a level of control on his life that commuters can't even dream of...It is pseudo-seniority - living in NYC.
08-17-2012, 06:12 AM
Works Every Weekend
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08-17-2012, 06:12 AM
Gets Weekends Off
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Understood, Scambo. I just had to get that in there about how my life sucks on the "ER".
08-17-2012, 06:59 AM
The Brown Dot +1
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It really must be a bummer bidding an int'l category then being bait and switched to mostly domestic flying in which you have to cover 3 airports (2 of which are do-able, but the 3rd...nah). I won't defend the situation, but the bidding strategy Denny brought up can be pure gold, especially in a commuting category that is manned short.
08-17-2012, 07:21 AM
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08-17-2012, 08:06 AM
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It really must be a bummer bidding an int'l category then being bait and switched to mostly domestic flying in which you have to cover 3 airports (2 of which are do-able, but the 3rd...nah). I won't defend the situation, but the bidding strategy Denny brought up can be pure gold, especially in a commuting category that is manned short.
Haven't been on reserve is years. Will have to read "reserve for dummies" if/when I get it.
Denny
08-17-2012, 08:10 AM
:-)
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Ugghhh, why are only the ALPA regional pilots taking it on the chin in this regional aircraft swap? I would love to hear Moak's response on this, but he is probably too busy soaking up the sun at his million dollar beach house in New Orleans.
08-17-2012, 08:15 AM
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And figuring out how to get on the A4A board.......
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