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Old 08-15-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Ugh. Not even 200 guys.........
However the 191 going have more value then the 250 they hoped for since they are far younger then the group that was targeted.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
How can that be? They can't be returning money. DPA still swears that all Delta pilots will see a dues increase in Oct.
DPA is full of crap. On the refund, that is exactly what King said a year ago. If they refund the account it goes to those that paid in to it.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:12 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
All 88 are growth aircraft to the mainline. If the economy collapses and the company plans a large decrease in overall capacity then we will see fewer pilots jobs. Regardless of the economy however we will have 88 more airframes at the mainline. How anyone can believe that is a bad thing utterly eludes me. The key to the 717's is they are not a increase in capacity but a shift in flying from DCI to the mainline. That is far more viable long term flying then planned future fleet increases given the economic situation. No matter how the economy plays out the 717's are a huge boost to the mainline.
I guess for some the glass is half full, for others its half empty, for many APC posters its cracking and leaking.
The TA passed, you can stop the sell job. It's like my car salesman showing up to my house asking me what it's going to take to get me in the car that I already bought... or should I say the car that was forced on me.

We'll get em next time boys!
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:24 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Ugh. Not even 200 guys.........

That is depressing. I can't wait to hear the excuses next time I go to work. I realize it is their choice to stay. I would just like them to acknowledge that they got their position by having everyone senior to them retire at 60.

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Old 08-15-2012, 08:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Well, the R&I guy says there are 65 mandatory retirements by 12/31/13 that did NOT take the early retirement sooooo he says there will be 256 retirements by 12/31/13.

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Old 08-15-2012, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Anybody else see this....

From Council 66

At the regular MEC meeting in CVG today, the MEC passed a resolution granting a refund of dues money paid into the SMRA account. More than $7 million will be returned to the Delta pilots.
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That goes to all current and former pilots. Kind of crazy to do this unless they don't want it sitting there.
I'm not a big fan, I'd prefer it stay in the "war chest", we WILL need one again, maybe very soon.

When we need to rebuild the SMRA "war chest" then all of a sudden the "ALPA is taking more of my money" complaining will start up and be really annoying.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
All 88 are growth aircraft to the mainline. If the economy collapses and the company plans a large decrease in overall capacity then we will see fewer pilots jobs. Regardless of the economy however we will have 88 more airframes at the mainline. How anyone can believe that is a bad thing utterly eludes me. The key to the 717's is they are not a increase in capacity but a shift in flying from DCI to the mainline. That is far more viable long term flying then planned future fleet increases given the economic situation. No matter how the economy plays out the 717's are a huge boost to the mainline.
I guess for some the glass is half full, for others its half empty, for many APC posters its cracking and leaking.
If the 717s are all growth, and we better all hope they are all growth, why then strike the mainline fleet size requirements to grow the 76-seat fleet from section 1? I mean if it's going to be all growth anyways just leave the mainline fleet size requirements. You could drop the 3:1 language and just replace it with the tables tieing 76 seat fleet growth to the 717s.

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fwiw, I ran across this again from the same email from 2 months ago: if the early out under performs with say around 100 pilots taking it (and all things being equal) then hiring in spring 2014. if 250-300 pilots take it then we should be able to hire in summer or fall 2013.

Of course, that's assuming things don't drastically change in the direction and size of the company through a merger.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:45 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well we are starting to see the bottom WRT to increasing PRASM through capacity reduction. IOW, shrinking to profitability isn't working anymore. Taking that into consideration it will be interesting to see how RA and the gang respond to the LCCs refusal to join in on the latest fare increases.
Or the many hundreds of domestic narrowbody capacity groth aircraft coming on line in the coming years from the so called LCC's and start ups. JB alone is planning on a stunning 50% increase in their already dominant BOS presence and DL's answer is to allow UAL into terminal A to make room for it because the alternative would be to actually use the gates to full capacity and we can't do that. Then there's the dual subsidized foreign EGO airlines that will dump super premium widebodies into just about every large US city simply because they over ordered and have no place to put them.

Will DL keep culling capacity to fund all of that, or will DL eventually respond by competiting ruthlessly even if it means a reduction in Q over Q paper numbers for a while?
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:48 AM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I'm not a big fan, I'd prefer it stay in the "war chest", we WILL need one again, maybe very soon.

When we need to rebuild the SMRA "war chest" then all of a sudden the "ALPA is taking more of my money" complaining will start up and be really annoying.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't. Good grief. Why anybody does ALPA work is beyond me, but I thank them for it.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
Or the many hundreds of domestic narrowbody capacity groth aircraft coming on line in the coming years from the so called LCC's and start ups. JB alone is planning on a stunning 50% increase in their already dominant BOS presence and DL's answer is to allow UAL into terminal A to make room for it because the alternative would be to actually use the gates to full capacity and we can't do that. Then there's the dual subsidized foreign EGO airlines that will dump super premium widebodies into just about every large US city simply because they over ordered and have no place to put them.

Will DL keep culling capacity to fund all of that, or will DL eventually respond by competiting ruthlessly even if it means a reduction in Q over Q paper numbers for a while?
If Delta had JB CASM we would be growing rapidly. We don't have JB CASM
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