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Old 08-15-2012, 06:07 AM
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That requires growth. Do you believe we will be growing seating capacity?
Well we are starting to see the bottom WRT to increasing PRASM through capacity reduction. IOW, shrinking to profitability isn't working anymore. Taking that into consideration it will be interesting to see how RA and the gang respond to the LCCs refusal to join in on the latest fare increases.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
My projections all had 2013 as the post merger turn around. Five years for some of us to get back to "status quo." That is not going to happen. Still, we have a lot of good things on the horizon:
  • Atlanta terminal F finished
  • JFK Terminal Expansion coming on line
  • Up gauged LGA flying
  • Perhaps an increase in Pacific flying
  • Aircraft coming out of mod lines
  • and slightly closer to the date the effective measurement period of the AF/KLM JV
  • 717 / 737-900 arrivals
But, some other indicators I watch are showing a slow down in the US economy this fall and the network / marketing people who make these decisions for Delta have not said anything positive recently.

So ... who knows? Management seems very happy to run Delta with a smaller footprint, especially if they can extract more revenue from it.
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Super post. I also thought 2013 would be the turn around. Time will tell, but frankly, I'm pretty sure the macro economy is not ready.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:10 AM
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Frankly, it makes sense. There is no good reason a profligate Greek should enjoy a thrifty German's credit.

IMHO, this will be good for Delta. Call it "the economic disaster tourism market."

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Old 08-15-2012, 06:20 AM
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...With this new contract and future known retirements, I would think the company could easily predict and peg a date for when hiring must begin and yet they haven't. Why is this?...
FWIW: A buddy of mine looking to get hired talked with one of our hiring department (LAX73A) members at the OBAP Conference. She said to expect hiring in the spring and that initially the 717 would staff at 9 crews per jet (sounds like a lot since current domestic is around 6(?)). But we are still waiting for Network's block hour plan...

Every six months or so I get something to look forward to, only to see it turn into burning embers...
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
FWIW: A buddy of mine looking to get hired talked with one of our hiring department (LAX73A) members at the OBAP Conference. She said to expect hiring in the spring and that initially the 717 would staff at 9 crews per jet (sounds like a lot since current domestic is around 6(?)). But we are still waiting for Network's block hour plan...

Every six months or so I get something to look forward to, only to see it turn into burning embers...
They have to build the 717 category in advance of aircraft arrivals. There will be a few LCA, APD and other positions which require training but aren't fully available for staffing the jet.

I've been exactly "one year away from a good deal" my entire career.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Was the deadline last night, or is it tonight?

And when do bids close again??
Aug 14th, 2359. Someone with an inside connection should know by now what the final tally is.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well we are starting to see the bottom WRT to increasing PRASM through capacity reduction. IOW, shrinking to profitability isn't working anymore. Taking that into consideration it will be interesting to see how RA and the gang respond to the LCCs refusal to join in on the latest fare increases.
You can continue the trend and keep PRASM up, but it requires hub closures and more consolidation......
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
I remember in 2009 when we started to hire. Everyone said the same thing. 200 new hires later, we stopped hiring.
The demographics on retirements were quite different in 09 however I never heard anyone say we would keep hiring. In fact I remember flight ops putting out that they would hire 180 to 240 pilots in that time frame.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:48 AM
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Originally Posted by cni187
Aug 14th, 2359. Someone with an inside connection should know by now what the final tally is.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:49 AM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Bar;

Super post. I also thought 2013 would be the turn around. Time will tell, but frankly, I'm pretty sure the macro economy is not ready.
I did too but for that to happen the world need to have confidence in world currency. For that to happen you need better fiscal policies.
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