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Old 08-14-2012, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Then explain how ASA flew 100 seat 4 engine jets that was not stated in the contract. Your statement above is incorrect. Delta until the 91 contract essentially had no scope at all. It was a long fight to get what we achieved. In every contract since 91 scope was one of the last issues decided. It came well after pay in most contracts. In the 01 contract pay was already set in stone almost a year before scope.
ASA had an agreement w/ Delta and Delta pilots (MEC?) for BAE-146 configured with 88 seats. I think we had maybe 5-6 of them. One was white w/ 100 seats and supposedly was a spare or loaner. ASA was allowed to acquire up to 20 of them but never got beyond the 5-6.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
Then explain how ASA flew 100 seat 4 engine jets that was not stated in the contract. Your statement above is incorrect. Delta until the 91 contract essentially had no scope at all. It was a long fight to get what we achieved. In every contract since 91 scope was one of the last issues decided. It came well after pay in most contracts. In the 01 contract pay was already set in stone almost a year before scope.
Where are the court cases where ALPA battled the company over DCI scope? Other than ALPA saying they fought hard for it every time in contract negotiations, there is no other evidence to support that it actually happened, unless I missed it.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Never trust anything that needs that much crap hanging off the back end to stabilize it
Exactly! I used to call it, "The Ice Macine". Anything that needs that many extra strakes to make it fly straight...well...it shouldn't be flying in the first place!
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Hoser
ASA had an agreement w/ Delta and Delta pilots (MEC?) for BAE-146 configured with 88 seats. I think we had maybe 5-6 of them. One was white w/ 100 seats and supposedly was a spare or loaner. ASA was allowed to acquire up to 20 of them but never got beyond the 5-6.
That one white 146 was a mtc spare we were given while the others went though D check in Bna. The year was 1997.
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Old 08-14-2012, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
Never trust anything that needs that much crap hanging off the back end to stabilize it

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Old 08-14-2012, 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
Exactly! I used to call it, "The Ice Macine". Anything that needs that many extra strakes to make it fly straight...well...it shouldn't be flying in the first place!
I thought you said junk in the back was preferable?
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:17 PM
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Nobody got beyond 5-6 HS 146s, powered by 5 APUs.

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Old 08-14-2012, 05:24 PM
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Old 08-14-2012, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by galaxy flyer
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Randy as EA MEC Chair would be news to me and I was on the BOS LEC from '87-'89. Jack Bavis was MEC Chair from '87 to the end during the strike when replaced by Copeland, I think it was. Larry Schulte preceded Jack and Randy was at ALPA National during that time, because I met him there.

Yes, we did have side letters for Bar Harbor, who went bust when we did, but early turboprops and DC-3s are a far cry from today's deals. Hell, DCI's "jumbo" RJ is bigger than EA's fleet--284 to 325. Yes, the industry is bigger, but stll".....

Yes, Pan Am did right by taking Ransome, making it PAA Express. A friend of mine was #1 there, went to PAA mainline on the A310, retired from DAL.

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That's right. Mr. Babbit was speaking as former ALPA President. My post was not to place blame at Eastern's feet, but rather to point out that Contract 2000 was not the genesis of the outsourcing problem. Our union's acceptance of alter ego flying preceded C2K by nearly 20 years.

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Old 08-14-2012, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
I think what Bar is referring to is related to actually training and typing ASA pilots on the 73NG sometime around 2001-2 (if I remember correctly). It did happen, but I don't know for how many pilots it happened.
That was different (and sort of weird). But not the only strange thing which went on back then.

I was referring to the BAE.

Doug Helms, ASA's number 1 on the list and Chief Pilot's standard brief in the day was that ASA had 737's coming. Robert Priddy, one of ASA's founders then split off to start ValuJet / AirTran.
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