Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-14-2012, 09:09 AM
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08-14-2012, 09:14 AM
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08-14-2012, 09:54 AM
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So an airline with an established LA base isn't allowed to expand on its own terms? Really?
Alaska is an independent airline, they are not some DCI that just flies when and where DAL route managers tell them. It is their right to fly or not fly wherever they want.
BTW, the codeshare only puts about 8.6 pax on the average AK flight. If you've been watching, DAL is putting planes where they will make the most money, not necessarily where pilots think the planes should go...
Alaska is an independent airline, they are not some DCI that just flies when and where DAL route managers tell them. It is their right to fly or not fly wherever they want.
BTW, the codeshare only puts about 8.6 pax on the average AK flight. If you've been watching, DAL is putting planes where they will make the most money, not necessarily where pilots think the planes should go...
I'd be more than happy with the code share if we just limited it to 8.6 pax per flight. Heck, let's round it up to 9. There are some flights that are getting 35-50% DL pax and some of those markets are large ultra high density markets with good frequency and DL management is using AS as a DCI style crutch so it doesn't have to spend money running an airline and can instead build its virtual travel agency brand. That should be unacceptable to this pilot group.
08-14-2012, 09:55 AM
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Ain't but one way out baby, Lord I just can't go out that front door!
I'm foolish to be here, in the first place.
I know some man gonna walk in and take my place.
Ain't no way in the world, I'm goin' out that front door,
'cause there's a man down there, might be your man, I don't know.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5afM3N97Y0
08-14-2012, 09:56 AM
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Of course they are "allowed" to expand wherever and whenever they want, as much as they want. Good for them. But it very much becomes our say when that expansion is done with DL code. As for the 8.6 pax stat, I'm sure that includes every single AS and Horizon city pair, including some of the really obscure ones, which they have a lot of. JB can fill a 320, 2 in the summer, NYC to BOS, but DL can't, but dumps pax in AS instead? Several airlines can take part in thousands and thousands of seats a day SEA-LA but DL can't do a single flight and dumps people onto AS?
I'd be more than happy with the code share if we just limited it to 8.6 pax per flight. Heck, let's round it up to 9. There are some flights that are getting 35-50% DL pax and some of those markets are large ultra high density markets with good frequency and DL management is using AS as a DCI style crutch so it doesn't have to spend money running an airline and can instead build its virtual travel agency brand. That should be unacceptable to this pilot group.
I'd be more than happy with the code share if we just limited it to 8.6 pax per flight. Heck, let's round it up to 9. There are some flights that are getting 35-50% DL pax and some of those markets are large ultra high density markets with good frequency and DL management is using AS as a DCI style crutch so it doesn't have to spend money running an airline and can instead build its virtual travel agency brand. That should be unacceptable to this pilot group.
08-14-2012, 10:02 AM
veut gagner à la loterie
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I can read your blathering no more. Do you seriously think that UCal is gonna get the more restrictive CAL scope? If you do, how much of a paycut do you think they are gonna have to get it? Or are you naive enough to seriously believe that coworker Jeff (love that term) is just gonna give it to them because it is the right thing to do?
Come on ftb.. you are much smarter than this.
Come on ftb.. you are much smarter than this.
You've been very peevish and clear on that point for a long time.
I get it.
What I don't get, given how you've posted in recent months, why you think I would give a damn about what you can stomach to read or what you write?
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08-14-2012, 10:05 AM
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08-14-2012, 10:13 AM
meh
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some Bs are out via the double backdoor:
backdoor the award page which shows the A's (ok it's directly linkable now via Deltanet)
then click on a wide report for your category of A, then replace the A with a B in the URL and resubmit.
Reserve went pretty senior in my cat, 7 dudes above me bid reserve and usually no one does.
backdoor the award page which shows the A's (ok it's directly linkable now via Deltanet)
then click on a wide report for your category of A, then replace the A with a B in the URL and resubmit.
Reserve went pretty senior in my cat, 7 dudes above me bid reserve and usually no one does.
08-14-2012, 10:22 AM
Wind the clock beoch
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some Bs are out via the double backdoor:
backdoor the award page which shows the A's (ok it's directly linkable now via Deltanet)
then click on a wide report for your category of A, then replace the A with a B in the URL and resubmit.
Reserve went pretty senior in my cat, 7 dudes above me bid reserve and usually no one does.
backdoor the award page which shows the A's (ok it's directly linkable now via Deltanet)
then click on a wide report for your category of A, then replace the A with a B in the URL and resubmit.
Reserve went pretty senior in my cat, 7 dudes above me bid reserve and usually no one does.
08-14-2012, 10:26 AM
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Of course they are "allowed" to expand wherever and whenever they want, as much as they want. Good for them. But it very much becomes our say when that expansion is done with DL code. As for the 8.6 pax stat, I'm sure that includes every single AS and Horizon city pair, including some of the really obscure ones, which they have a lot of. JB can fill a 320, 2 in the summer, SEA to BOS, but DL can't, but dumps pax in AS instead? Several airlines can take part in thousands and thousands of seats a day SEA-LA but DL can't do a single flight and dumps people onto AS?
I'd be more than happy with the code share if we just limited it to 8.6 pax per flight. Heck, let's round it up to 9. There are some flights that are getting 35-50% DL pax and some of those markets are large ultra high density markets with good frequency and DL management is using AS as a DCI style crutch so it doesn't have to spend money running an airline and can instead build its virtual travel agency brand. That should be unacceptable to this pilot group.
I'd be more than happy with the code share if we just limited it to 8.6 pax per flight. Heck, let's round it up to 9. There are some flights that are getting 35-50% DL pax and some of those markets are large ultra high density markets with good frequency and DL management is using AS as a DCI style crutch so it doesn't have to spend money running an airline and can instead build its virtual travel agency brand. That should be unacceptable to this pilot group.
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