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Old 08-03-2012, 09:34 AM
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Thanks unclesam. Got it all figured out now. Had to do a little self educating. :-)

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Old 08-03-2012, 09:35 AM
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Originally Posted by hockeypilot44
No big deal. We don't even stay on the beach in FLL. The FLL layover sucks now.

True - but I have not been layed over there since we stayed at the Clipper. A mere 5-10 minute walk to the Elbow room!

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Old 08-03-2012, 09:38 AM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
I just got a call from crew resources telling me that my RMA has been approved with a retirement date of 01SEP. Time to get out of the way. The only sad part is that my last flight was in the right seat giving CA TOE. Didn't even get the landing. I wish all of you the best of luck for the future at the BIG D. I really believe that the best is yet to come. I will still keep lurking here however.

Congrats!

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Old 08-03-2012, 09:38 AM
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Congratulations Maddog! Enjoy your retirement!
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:42 AM
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Originally Posted by maddogmax
I just got a call from crew resources telling me that my RMA has been approved with a retirement date of 01SEP. Time to get out of the way. The only sad part is that my last flight was in the right seat giving CA TOE. Didn't even get the landing. I wish all of you the best of luck for the future at the BIG D. I really believe that the best is yet to come. I will still keep lurking here however.

First, fairwinds to you, sir. This isn't the DAL forum. You don't lose priviledges because you are inactive on the list. Come back for underboob when you've completed all your honeydo retirement tasks.


When we had the first early out back in 96, it took months for the Company to assign retirement dates. It seemed like we held guys forever. I guess they are trying to assign dates prior to the deadline so no one removes their bid due to lack of information.

What I'm really astonished about is the efficiency of DAL to provide this information so quickly. What's up with that?
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:46 AM
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Originally Posted by orvil

What I'm really astonished about is the efficiency of DAL to provide this information so quickly. What's up with that?
I would bet it's because they know we are overstaffed in September.
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Old 08-03-2012, 09:57 AM
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Originally Posted by UncleSam
Think of it this way - the 24 hr off is just like your last X-day. You don't have to answer the phone, but you still have the same responsibilities for checking your schedule.
Wrong. They may want it to be that way, and we may enable it by doing just that, but while on mandatory fed rest you are under NO OBLIGATION. None. No schedule check, nothing.

They can give you a trip that reports 1 minute after your rest but ONLY if they give it to you before you are released for that rest. If you go into that rest period with nothing on your line, the ONLY thing you can get is default long call starting at the end of your mandatory rest. Call your reps and scheduling supervisors to verify and they will tell you the same.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:01 AM
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Are you done with your briefing yet?

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Old 08-03-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by fly2002
Hey guys a mental exercise for FAA/ reserve stuff. Question. Is a pilot required under the contract or FAR's to be contactable during his/her 24 hour break?

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Finished trip and assigned 24 hour break. During break company calls and I don't answer (dont have to). When I come back on duty at 11am company says I have short call at 3pm. Aren't we required 12 hours heads up for short call or trip assignment?

ALPAs position is that even during the break I am contactable, but just not required to answer the phone but still obligated to the contractual 12 hour heads up.

I thought I was free from ALL duty during a 24 hour break? If they wanted me to fly a trip or start short call on returning to duty they had to assign it to me before the start of my break. Any takers?
You are free from ALL duty. No exceptions. Call a different rep. I went through that very thing and eventually got it straightened out. No obligation. They can't just let you go on duty one minute after the rest, with you not knowing what or if you will be working, and then use the time between the end of your rest and the beginning of whatever they give you as retroactive rest. Some pilot pushers in scheduling and some sympathisers in the union think its OK for it to be that way but its not. Call Curtis at ALPA and ALL your reps until you get clarification on this.

Now technically you CAN get a 3PM short call after your mandatory rest ends at 11AM...however you are then on duty from 11AM, since that was when the company expected you to check your schedule. Be very careful using 3PM as your duty day in that case as I can't see how that could possibly be legal if you go past 16 hours after 11AM.
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Old 08-03-2012, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by fly2002
Hey guys a mental exercise for FAA/ reserve stuff. Question. Is a pilot required under the contract or FAR's to be contactable during his/her 24 hour break?

Scenario

Finished trip and assigned 24 hour break. During break company calls and I don't answer (dont have to). When I come back on duty at 11am company says I have short call at 3pm. Aren't we required 12 hours heads up for short call or trip assignment?

ALPAs position is that even during the break I am contactable, but just not required to answer the phone but still obligated to the contractual 12 hour heads up.

I thought I was free from ALL duty during a 24 hour break? If they wanted me to fly a trip or start short call on returning to duty they had to assign it to me before the start of my break. Any takers?
"12 hour heads up" is long call reserve, not rest.

From When Scheduling Calls:
Rest, as defined by the FAA, means having no present responsibility for work. In 1999, the FAA required that the applicable rest requirements be applied to domestic reserve pilots. Therefore, time spent on long or short call in domestic operations, or performing any duty for Delta, e.g., DH, is not rest for the purposes of domestic flying. As a domestic reserve pilot, you cannot be made to call or answer a phone call or beeper during a rest period, although you can voluntarily answer a call or make contact with the Company. Also, a pilot on layover is not responsible to be contactable by the company
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