Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-29-2012, 08:06 PM
Da Hudge
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Timbo - Surely you did not read DALPAs NN on the potential hiring related to the TA and subsequent contract. We will need like 3000 more pilots in the next few years. Unless:
- We are in a recession (we Are)
- Europe is in turmoil (it is)
- DAL Pilots will mostly try to fly 100 hours/month (they will)
- Oil is expensive (it is)
- a hurricane appears in 2013 ( it will)
- a volcano erupts ( maybe
)
- We put more passengers on ALK next year (we will)
- Some sort of natural disaster occurs somewhere in the world (it will)
Other than the above I think we will be hiring gangbusters!
Scoop
- We are in a recession (we Are)
- Europe is in turmoil (it is)
- DAL Pilots will mostly try to fly 100 hours/month (they will)
- Oil is expensive (it is)
- a hurricane appears in 2013 ( it will)
- a volcano erupts ( maybe
)- We put more passengers on ALK next year (we will)
- Some sort of natural disaster occurs somewhere in the world (it will)
Other than the above I think we will be hiring gangbusters!
Scoop
07-29-2012, 08:48 PM
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07-29-2012, 10:17 PM
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Ohh...there you go, ass u me ing again!
Unfortunately, we are over staffed buy about 500 now, if 200 leave early, we'll still be over by 300 when they cut back for the reduced fall schedule.
Oh, and our lastest T/A gave them more efficiencies in higher average line values every month, and higher reserve utilization too.
Oh, and the first 13 of those 717's won't show up until next summer.
Oh, and 40 of those 88 717's are going to replace the 40 DC9's...
So, yeah, I expect they'll start hiring any day now.
Or not.
Unfortunately, we are over staffed buy about 500 now, if 200 leave early, we'll still be over by 300 when they cut back for the reduced fall schedule.
Oh, and our lastest T/A gave them more efficiencies in higher average line values every month, and higher reserve utilization too.
Oh, and the first 13 of those 717's won't show up until next summer.
Oh, and 40 of those 88 717's are going to replace the 40 DC9's...
So, yeah, I expect they'll start hiring any day now.
Or not.
07-29-2012, 11:30 PM
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This is the first I've heard of a call for September KLOA submissions. Where's the reference, and how do I sign up?
07-30-2012, 02:18 AM
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So something completely different: Has anyone else laid eyes on some of the Turkish Airlines FA's? I guess the junior ones get the trips to Accra! Talk about eye candy.
07-30-2012, 04:35 AM
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Tis true. Somewhere around 19 DC9s.
But we did have 71 DC9s in 2008. So 88 717s - 71 DC9s = 17 GROWTH JETS!
In 2015. Or 8 years after the merger.
But no worries, 17 is halfway to the goal of having as many mainline jets in 2015 as we did in 2008. The MD90s (if) at 65 frames - 2 or 3 spares will help get back to making us whole. Or 2008 + 4!
Of course that requires ASM growth even with DCI@450!
Of course, remember... future success through expanded margins! Limited back-fill! Improved productivity! Not going on any (growth) benders! We're going to de-risk and de-leverage! Grind down net debt some form or fashion! The goal - investment grade! Oh and growth... in global consolidation!
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Wise is not always preferable for employees but the question is should we just get used to the idea of being in the same place in 2015 that you were in 2009?
I mean this is the movement roller coaster we all want to be on...
But it's not the one we're on. This is probably ours, or at least Bar's:
But we did have 71 DC9s in 2008. So 88 717s - 71 DC9s = 17 GROWTH JETS!
In 2015. Or 8 years after the merger.
But no worries, 17 is halfway to the goal of having as many mainline jets in 2015 as we did in 2008. The MD90s (if) at 65 frames - 2 or 3 spares will help get back to making us whole. Or 2008 + 4!
Of course that requires ASM growth even with DCI@450!
Of course, remember... future success through expanded margins! Limited back-fill! Improved productivity! Not going on any (growth) benders! We're going to de-risk and de-leverage! Grind down net debt some form or fashion! The goal - investment grade! Oh and growth... in global consolidation!
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Wise is not always preferable for employees but the question is should we just get used to the idea of being in the same place in 2015 that you were in 2009?
I mean this is the movement roller coaster we all want to be on...
But it's not the one we're on. This is probably ours, or at least Bar's:
07-30-2012, 04:39 AM
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07-30-2012, 04:49 AM
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Timbo - Surely you did not read DALPAs NN on the potential hiring related to the TA and subsequent contract. We will need like 3000 more pilots in the next few years. Unless:
- We are in a recession (we Are)
- Europe is in turmoil (it is)
- DAL Pilots will mostly try to fly 100 hours/month (they will)
- Oil is expensive (it is)
- a hurricane appears in 2013 ( it will)
- a volcano erupts ( maybe)
- We put more passengers on ALK next year (we will)
- Some sort of natural disaster occurs somewhere in the world (it will)
Other than the above I think we will be hiring gangbusters!
Scoop
- We are in a recession (we Are)
- Europe is in turmoil (it is)
- DAL Pilots will mostly try to fly 100 hours/month (they will)
- Oil is expensive (it is)
- a hurricane appears in 2013 ( it will)
- a volcano erupts ( maybe
)- We put more passengers on ALK next year (we will)
- Some sort of natural disaster occurs somewhere in the world (it will)
Other than the above I think we will be hiring gangbusters!
Scoop
07-30-2012, 05:17 AM
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Tis true. Somewhere around 19 DC9s.
But we did have 71 DC9s in 2008. So 88 717s - 71 DC9s = 17 GROWTH JETS!
In 2015. Or 8 years after the merger.
But no worries, 17 is halfway to the goal of having as many mainline jets in 2015 as we did in 2008. The MD90s (if) at 65 frames - 2 or 3 spares will help get back to making us whole. Or 2008 + 4!
Of course that requires ASM growth even with DCI@450!
Of course, remember... future success through expanded margins! Limited back-fill! Improved productivity! Not going on any (growth) benders! We're going to de-risk and de-leverage! Grind down net debt some form or fashion! The goal - investment grade! Oh and growth... in global consolidation!
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Wise is not always preferable for employees but the question is should we just get used to the idea of being in the same place in 2015 that you were in 2009?
I mean this is the movement roller coaster we all want to be on...
But it's not the one we're on. This is probably ours, or at least Bar's:
But we did have 71 DC9s in 2008. So 88 717s - 71 DC9s = 17 GROWTH JETS!
In 2015. Or 8 years after the merger.
But no worries, 17 is halfway to the goal of having as many mainline jets in 2015 as we did in 2008. The MD90s (if) at 65 frames - 2 or 3 spares will help get back to making us whole. Or 2008 + 4!
Of course that requires ASM growth even with DCI@450!
Of course, remember... future success through expanded margins! Limited back-fill! Improved productivity! Not going on any (growth) benders! We're going to de-risk and de-leverage! Grind down net debt some form or fashion! The goal - investment grade! Oh and growth... in global consolidation!
Not that there is anything wrong with that. Wise is not always preferable for employees but the question is should we just get used to the idea of being in the same place in 2015 that you were in 2009?
I mean this is the movement roller coaster we all want to be on...
But it's not the one we're on. This is probably ours, or at least Bar's:
I was never at a regional/lcc that had explosive growth so I can't see it through those eyes.
Of course I want Richard to be smart and make all the right moves, but it would be really really nice to hire 3000 pilots, sooner rather than later. How are we gonna get Boomer on the list if we don't start hiring?
This summer, we've been living at the beach. One of my neighbors, about 4 doors down is a retired Exxon executive. We had a discussion about the trainer refinery - a topic that he knew more about than me - by far...He was visibly and animatedly positive that it was a brilliant move..."Genius" was his word choice...FWIW.
I've got time to let the puzzle pieces fall into place. Sooner is better than later though.
Also, I should have bought that picture of me and my wife on the roller coaster to keep it off the web. Bar should have sat at the back...
07-30-2012, 05:25 AM
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Also those numbers of guys out for those event used to not be included in the contractual staffing formula and now those will. It is actually one of the items (albeit smaller items) that eats away at the "300 pilot reduction" number tossed around.
My guess is interviews starting after new year and classes by early spring for all the 717/739's that start arriving in the summer.
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