Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-19-2009, 06:03 PM
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Carl,
Get used to it. I have been at DAL for 10 years and this is managements legacy:
* Stock Buybacks - Billions ( might only be hundreds of millions) lost as stock goes to zero in BK.
* COMAIR & ASA purchase - Buy high sell low - Major $ lost on ASA. Who knows what will happen with COMAIR.
* Fuel hedges - Hundreds of million lost - still working on that magical Billion dollar number.
* Boston terminal upgrades - Your guess is as good as mine.
I know there are others that I can not remember. You would think the law of averages would require management to sooner or later be on the right side of a decision, well I am still waiting.
Scoop
Get used to it. I have been at DAL for 10 years and this is managements legacy:
* Stock Buybacks - Billions ( might only be hundreds of millions) lost as stock goes to zero in BK.
* COMAIR & ASA purchase - Buy high sell low - Major $ lost on ASA. Who knows what will happen with COMAIR.
* Fuel hedges - Hundreds of million lost - still working on that magical Billion dollar number.
* Boston terminal upgrades - Your guess is as good as mine.
I know there are others that I can not remember. You would think the law of averages would require management to sooner or later be on the right side of a decision, well I am still waiting.
Scoop
Carl
07-19-2009, 06:05 PM
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What am I missing here? That's not logic, that's exactly the case. Every new airplane purchased by the combined company going forward is done by the new management team, not DAL-N management. Unfortunately, the new management team is making some dreadful decisions regarding parking aircraft IMO. There were years when our freight division made most of the company's profits - when other airlines were losing their back sides. Now our new management team has decided to walk away from that division and those Pacific routes.
Are you saying that aircraft purchases going forward ARE being made by DAL-N management?
Carl
Are you saying that aircraft purchases going forward ARE being made by DAL-N management?
Carl
Look at the majority of the management team.
07-19-2009, 06:05 PM
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Carl,
Get used to it. I have been at DAL for 10 years and this is managements legacy:
* Stock Buybacks - Billions ( might only be hundreds of millions) lost as stock goes to zero in BK.
* COMAIR & ASA purchase - Buy high sell low - Major $ lost on ASA. Who knows what will happen with COMAIR.
* Fuel hedges - Hundreds of million lost - still working on that magical Billion dollar number.
* Boston terminal upgrades - Your guess is as good as mine.
I know there are others that I can not remember. You would think the law of averages would require management to sooner or later be on the right side of a decision, well I am still waiting.
Scoop
Get used to it. I have been at DAL for 10 years and this is managements legacy:
* Stock Buybacks - Billions ( might only be hundreds of millions) lost as stock goes to zero in BK.
* COMAIR & ASA purchase - Buy high sell low - Major $ lost on ASA. Who knows what will happen with COMAIR.
* Fuel hedges - Hundreds of million lost - still working on that magical Billion dollar number.
* Boston terminal upgrades - Your guess is as good as mine.
I know there are others that I can not remember. You would think the law of averages would require management to sooner or later be on the right side of a decision, well I am still waiting.
Scoop
Now that is the sad facts, isn't it.
07-19-2009, 06:24 PM
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07-19-2009, 06:29 PM
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It's really not. It's fact. The DAL-S proposal was chosen by the arbitrators. The DAL-N propasal was not. You can view the consequences of the SLI from your own perspective - we all do that. But you cannot view the SLI result any other way except one side won, and the other side lost. Unless you're one of these new age teachers who tell their little math students that there are no wrong answers, and no winners or losers. I don't mind talking about it. The facts are what they are.Carl
In my mind, the fact that the arbitrators chose not to go with a DOH ruling was not a victory, but simply an affirmation that such a ruling could not possibly be right, or fair. If two people hired on the same day have different careers, and different progressions, it is the result of their individual path, and their particular, for lack of a better term, destiny. There is nothing in our way of life that says two people who ended up in vastly different positions at two different companies need to have their actual progression reset, and artifically equalized based on date of hire and their expectations. If any two companies merge, they place VP's next to VP's, not VP's next to managers that expected to be VP's, based on hire dates. Nobody on the S side is responsible for the career progression of anyone on the N side being slower.
So everyone did OK, and everyone got some of their arguments considered. While the arbitrator didn't chose either of your two proposed methodologies, they used your snapshot date, and gave you unprecedented credit for future advancement. Good for you.
On this side, we do not feel that we won anything. We see that we will be placed next to someone who enjoyed a tremendous raise (my contemporaries got a jump of several years in longevity, plus our payrates), and can now compete with someone who is ahead several categories in terms of aircraft/pay. Nobody begrudges that, because, in theory, over time, our career progression would be slightly better in terms of % with the merger than without. The fact that there is now a lower % of desireable aircraft blurrs the equation a little, but overall, we all hope our lives will be a little better with the merger, than without.
If any victory occurs, it won't be one side prevailing over another, but the airline prevailing over others. Let's hope for that.
07-19-2009, 06:51 PM
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Gotta give RA credit though, talking to a buddy that him on a flight today out of a DALN hub, he came up to say hi, he wore jeans and he sat in coach.
I think it'd be funny to start a conversation with your seat neighbor only to find out he was the CEO. I once told a guy at a BBQ restaurant in Auburn (land of hot coeds) that this place was not as good as another BBQ place down the street, he of course turned out to be the owner.
I think it'd be funny to start a conversation with your seat neighbor only to find out he was the CEO. I once told a guy at a BBQ restaurant in Auburn (land of hot coeds) that this place was not as good as another BBQ place down the street, he of course turned out to be the owner.
07-19-2009, 06:59 PM
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07-19-2009, 07:25 PM
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Gotta give RA credit though, talking to a buddy that him on a flight today out of a DALN hub, he came up to say hi, he wore jeans and he sat in coach.
I think it'd be funny to start a conversation with your seat neighbor only to find out he was the CEO. I once told a guy at a BBQ restaurant in Auburn (land of hot coeds) that this place was not as good as another BBQ place down the street, he of course turned out to be the owner.
I think it'd be funny to start a conversation with your seat neighbor only to find out he was the CEO. I once told a guy at a BBQ restaurant in Auburn (land of hot coeds) that this place was not as good as another BBQ place down the street, he of course turned out to be the owner.
for some laughs, go check out FML: Your everyday life stories
07-19-2009, 07:25 PM
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I understand that. It is human nature. The DAL-N side lost the legal battle in arbitration...period. You'd have to be suckin the crack pipe 24-7 to think we won the legal battle. All I'm saying is that it's tough to listen to the side that beat you in court, complain about the one bread crumb that was thrown to the losing side. It's kind of like having the ball spiked in your face in the end zone.
Hope that makes sense.
Carl
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