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Old 07-26-2012, 09:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Mem9guy
Can you not MEL a lav on an RJ? Hour and a half delay so far on my commute this morning for lav service. ASA DCI flight to ATL. Full flight with all of them misconnecting.
From a secret company manual at an unnamed DCI carrier:

In response to Delta's continuing efforts to improve the customer service experience and build on its commitment to its customers, (secret airline's name here) new guidelines concerning passenger comfort restrictions on the aircraft are as follows:
  • Minimum Lavatory Deferral Standards - No flight may depart with less than one operative lavatory on a flight exceeding 60 minutes without prior coordination and approval from SOCC...
If this is the official Delta edict, then ASA was just following orders.
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
From a secret company manual at an unnamed DCI carrier:

In response to Delta's continuing efforts to improve the customer service experience and build on its commitment to its customers, (secret airline's name here) new guidelines concerning passenger comfort restrictions on the aircraft are as follows:
  • Minimum Lavatory Deferral Standards - No flight may depart with less than one operative lavatory on a flight exceeding 60 minutes without prior coordination and approval from SOCC...
If this is the official Delta edict, then ASA was just following orders.
60mins block or enroute?

I'm sure SOCC approval would take 10 seconds and not a single thought. They care about performance not passengers.
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Old 07-26-2012, 09:21 AM
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Originally Posted by lolwut
60mins block or enroute?

I'm sure SOCC approval would take 10 seconds and not a single thought. They care about performance not passengers.
It's block in secret regional company's manual, but who knows what Delta's official marching orders are?

It's probably somewhere between "the law of unintended consequences" and "last time we tried to adapt/improvise/overcome we got spanked, so just wait for MX"
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Old 07-26-2012, 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by Phuz
Dci rj crews are just as well trained and just as professional as mainline crews. Ask Richard.. If a dci crew member second guessed your judgement what would you say?
Not questioning the crew. Captain was doing all he could to get things moving. I just got the feeling that he was stuck working within a very poor system without much help.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Point being, "they aint our passengers... who cares, maybe the next flight will cancel and I can go home early.
Whose passengers are they anyway? Johnso?
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Old 07-26-2012, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Boomer
From a secret company manual at an unnamed DCI carrier:


In response to Delta's continuing efforts to improve the customer service experience and build on its commitment to its customers, (secret airline's name here) new guidelines concerning passenger comfort restrictions on the aircraft are as follows:
  • Minimum Lavatory Deferral Standards - No flight may depart with less than one operative lavatory on a flight exceeding 60 minutes without prior coordination and approval from SOCC...
If this is the official Delta edict, then ASA was just following orders.

BUT...did the Captain make the, "We have no lav, so Pee before you GO!" PA??

And how long would it take to let everyone off to use the airport facility, then reboard them...?
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Old 07-26-2012, 01:33 PM
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Deferring the only lav is unacceptable irregardless as to whether you make a lav inop announcement. Back in the 19 seat turboprop days it wasn't uncommon to have a pax go in a bottle and that was on a flight less than an hour.

Next subject please.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:10 PM
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Originally Posted by CAAC ATP
Deferring the only lav is unacceptable irregardless as to whether you make a lav inop announcement. Back in the 19 seat turboprop days it wasn't uncommon to have a pax go in a bottle and that was on a flight less than an hour.

Next subject please.

"irregardless" is not a word, and why move to the next subject? this is somewhat interesting...would you cancel a 60 min flight for no lav?
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Seaslap8
"irregardless" is not a word, and why move to the next subject? this is somewhat interesting...would you cancel a 60 min flight for no lav?
Some may say it is not a word and yet it exists in the dictionary. Grammar police such as yourself are under the opinion that regardless should be used instead. That is fine by me as I don't really care either way, but thanks for calling me out.

Speaking of opinions. A lavatory, if the only lavatory on board, should be a required item. I speak of this from experience operating 50 seat RJs and smaller turboprops. So yes, my opinion is you fix the lav or cancel the flight.

Perhaps there should be a DCI thread where items such as this could be discussed.
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Old 07-26-2012, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by CAAC ATP
Deferring the only lav is unacceptable irregardless as to whether you make a lav inop announcement. Back in the 19 seat turboprop days it wasn't uncommon to have a pax go in a bottle and that was on a flight less than an hour.

Next subject please.
On an RJ, it is a bucket with a flapper valve and a drain. It can not really break. Most deferrals seem to relate to ground handlers refusing to service it and the crew eventually saying "no"
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